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This country has a major problem when people think it is wrong for a candidate not to wear a flag pin. Many Conservatives will tell you that they love America, but do they? Conservatives have long been against protecting the environment and in favor of the corporate right to trash the large piece of land we call America. Conservatives also are opponents of social programs to help the American poor and are in favor of Wars that kill Americans.

I do not love America. Based on the last 8 years it is impossible to love America. My love for America is not unconditional. It is based on how the American government acts. George W. Bush has made it impossible to love America.

The American flag is consecrated as a sacred idol for so many people, but why? Is it not just a symbol? Is it not just paint on cloth?

I hope someone will answer of few of these questions!
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This country has a major problem when people think it is wrong for a candidate not to wear a flag pin.
Does this country give a ****, I didn't know... Poll showing those influenced?

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Many Conservatives will tell you that they love America, but do they?
Probably...

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Conservatives have long been against protecting the environment and in favor of the corporate right to trash the large piece of land we call America.
Have they? Not this conservative.

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Conservatives also are opponents of social programs to help the American poor
At the expense of the wealth of the nation, of course we oppose the forced redistribution of wealth.

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and are in favor of Wars that kill Americans.
On a debate forum, perhaps you should spend less time telling people what they think, and more time debating what they've said they support. Conservatism is not inherently pro-war, I fear you may have conservatives confused with neo-conservatives.

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I do not love America.
No one said you had to, however if you like someplace better...

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Based on the last 8 years it is impossible to love America.
Do not confuse your countrymen with their government, governments change, can be set right, and can be overthrown.

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My love for America is not unconditional.
Hows your loyalty to the constitution?

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It is based on how the American government acts. George W. Bush has made it impossible to love America.
George W. Bush is NOT America!

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The American flag is consecrated as a sacred idol for so many people, but why? Is it not just a symbol? Is it not just paint on cloth?
Please see the definition for symbolism, they mean something.

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I hope someone will answer of few of these questions!
I believe they were all rhetorical, however I have answered your straw men and misunderstandings.
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This country has a major problem when people think it is wrong for a candidate not to wear a flag pin.
Part of a bigger pattern demonstrating distaste for this country. Why have that man lead it?

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Many Conservatives will tell you that they love America, but do they?
So much so that I fought for it. How about you?

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Conservatives have long been against protecting the environment and in favor of the corporate right to trash the large piece of land we call America.
Nonsense. many conservatives are hunters, and farmers stewards of the flower and the fauna.

See here is liberalism..... YOU CANT DRILL ANYWHERE.

Here is Conservatism.... DRILL IN THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY THAT MINIMIZES IMPACT ON THIS EARTH SO THAT WE CAN BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT.


We right now are following the liberal model. That is why we have chinese oil rigs and no American ones 45 miles off the coast of FL.


Which would you prefer, an American one or a chinese one.


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Conservatives also are opponents of social programs to help the American poor and are in favor of Wars that kill Americans.

Conservatives believe the roll of government to be limited and are against the liberal created handout class.

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I do not love America. Based on the last 8 years it is impossible to love America. My love for America is not unconditional. It is based on how the American government acts. George W. Bush has made it impossible to love America.

So one man makes you not love your country? Which country would you prefer to live in and why have you not made preparations?


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The American flag is consecrated as a sacred idol for so many people, but why? Is it not just a symbol? Is it not just paint on cloth?

So many have fought and died under that flag so you can enjoy bashing your country.


Perhaps that is part of the reason?
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I do not love America. Based on the last 8 years it is impossible to love America. My love for America is not unconditional. It is based on how the American government acts.
As one who is VERY liberal, the only source of pride in your country is to be found in the government. As a conservative, current government administration is the last aspect of our nation that I would look for sources of pride.
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As one who is VERY liberal, the only source of pride in your country is to be found in the government.
Really? And not in the achievements or bravery of your countrymen?
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Really? And not in the achievements or bravery of your countrymen?
I was describing religiousleft's view based upon his statement

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My love for America is not unconditional. It is based on how the American government acts.
As for myself, like I said, "As a conservative, current government administration is the last aspect of our nation that I would look for sources of pride". Achievements of Americans would be one of the first.
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I was describing religiousleft's view based upon his statement

As for myself, like I said, "As a conservative, current government administration is the last aspect of our nation that I would look for sources of pride". Achievements of Americans would be one of the first.
I apologize for my knee-jerk.
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So many have fought and died under that flag so you can enjoy bashing your country.

where did he bash the USA?
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I was indeed describing Neo Conservatives in my original post. But I have yet to meet a Conservative that is not a Neo Conservative on this forum. I don't understand why anyone would die for a flag. But I thank you for your responses.
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I was indeed describing Neo Conservatives in my original post. But I have yet to meet a Conservative that is not a Neo Conservative on this forum.
Its not a flag, its an idea.

Can you define what a neo-conservative is for me?
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