News of London's New Mayor is Whitewashed - Page 2

donsutherland1 · 05-04-08, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

Red Ken maintained his principles and voiced concerns accordingly. Nothing wrong with that...

I agree that there is nothing wrong with his choosing to express his foreign policy/national security thoughts per se. However, by choosing to enter into that political arena, it is fair game for his opponents to have made his foreign policy/national security positions an issue. As noted earlier, I believe his positions on such issues were generally out of step with both the Labour Party and the larger British public. I believe he would have done better to have focused on serving his London constituents in his capacity as Mayor.

Scucca · 05-04-08, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by donsutherland1

As noted earlier, I believe his positions on such issues were generally out of step with both the Labour Party and the larger British public.

Which ones? The relatively anti-Israel position, as already mentioned, is a significant feature in all corners. You'd have to go with the Islam stuff. However...

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I believe he would have done better to have focused on serving his London constituents in his capacity as Mayor.

Given the islamophobia, you could quite reasonably argue that he was protecting Londoners

gunner · 05-04-08, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

What do you think Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, media hack, is going to do? Perhaps put up the bus fare for anyone carrying rucksacks?

I don't know how anyone but a communist sorry socialist could defend a guy like Livingstone,

Ken Livingstone defends his extremist backer - Telegraph

What is it with the left, support hate preachers who advocate the annihilation of homosexuals but, campaign for non-discrimination against gays?

Paul.

Scucca · 05-04-08, 06:10 PM

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I don't know how anyone but a communist sorry socialist could defend a guy like Livingstone,

I've never been a particular fan of Red Ken (but for reasons beyond the standard islam tabloid misinformation). What about Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson do you find agreeable?

bhkad · 05-04-08, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Scucca

What do you think Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, media hack, is going to do? Perhaps put up the bus fare for anyone carrying rucksacks?

What is the significance of bus fare to those carrying rucksacks?

What are you trying to say?

Scucca · 05-04-08, 06:17 PM

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What is the significance of bus fare to those carrying rucksacks?

What are you trying to say?

I was taking the piss. You're making comment without knowing the role of the Mayor. Its not a serious error. You can just go 'oops'

bhkad · 05-04-08, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by donsutherland1

Bhkad,

Mr. Livingstone also had a history of demonizing Israel, perhaps as part of his rather extreme world view particularly with respect to the ongoing ideological struggle with radical Islamists. He was out of step with most of the Labour Party and the British population. The bar should not be too high for his successor to do a better job in representing London.

Thank you for that bit of info. It does fill in some of the blanks. I'd never heard much good about Livingstone from people whose opinions I respect.

The fact that local police would tell local residents they couldn't fly the Union Jack from their window because it was offensive to some Muslims in the community just seemed to me something I'd expect a British Mayor would say and do something about and I heard nothing from Livingstone.

Scucca · 05-04-08, 06:33 PM

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The fact that local police would tell local residents they couldn't fly the Union Jack from their window because it was offensive to some Muslims

Get the name right! Its called the Union flag. I also find it offensive as it symbolises empire. I can just about tolerate the St George, but technically as Xians we should be flying a St Edmund

bhkad · 05-04-08, 06:43 PM

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Isn't that a tad of a "so what?" moment, given Red Ken lost and such issues were irrelevant to the election? They've gone for a "popular" media hack. Silly Billys

When the name of the game is expansion of the religion and increased territory under Islamic rule and more Muslims to increase the pressure to establish a parallel Islamic (Sharia) government anywhere and everywhere, the idea that the issue of Israel would be irrelevant in G.B.'s largest city and it's Capitol city is what is silly.

London's large concentration of Muslims and the number of demonstrated ongoing terrorist investigations and several executed and planned but thwarted attacks, suggest that the London Mayor should have an interest in not only what is happening in his own jurisdiction, which he surely should have, but also a view of the bigger picture.

Serving the needs of his Muslim constituents as well as his non-Muslim constituents will be a demanding task. Let's keep our eyes open to the challenges he is presented by those constituencies as it may help us recognize patterns in his leadership and in his constituents' fellowship.

Scucca · 05-04-08, 06:51 PM

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When the name of the game is expansion of the religion and increased territory under Islamic rule and more Muslims to increase the pressure to establish a parallel Islamic (Sharia) government anywhere and everywhere, the idea that the issue of Israel would be irrelevant in G.B.'s largest city and it's Capitol city is what is silly.

Crikey, I'm shivering under me bed thinking about it. Could you show one of the following? (1) Israel was important to the election (2) The Mayor has responsibilities that means he can become some sort of El Cid for the Charlton Heston fans?