McCain supporters...

jallman · 04-27-08, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

YouTube - McCain Flip-Flops On Ethanol

McCain in 2003 : "Ethanol does nothing to reduce fuel consumption, nothing to reduce our energy independence and nothing to improve air quality.

McCain in 2008 : "I support ethanol and I think it is a vital alternative source, not only because of our dependence on foreign oil but because of it's green house gas effect reduction effect."

You're going to call a 5 year evolution in thought that grew with technology and evidence a flip flop? Now you're reeaaally stretching it.

Hatuey · 04-27-08, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

No. You called the man senile as an attack and I addressed it.

So McCain isn't senile even though all evidence points to him being the very definition of senile? Who are you trying to fool?

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The only thing you handed to me was proof of your inability to read. I stated that in his widely televised speeches, he never engaged me. Then you went down the rabbit hole with some garbage about digging **** up on the internet as if that had ANYTHING to do with my original statement.

This posturing thing doesn't work well for you and you know damned well it's not going to have one ounce of effect on me so just stop before you embarass yourself.

Your initial assertion.

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You can't prove an opposite from Obama because he doesn't express his policies when he speaks.

This was proven false yet you keep repeating the same BS like it's true. Even though Obama's campaign alone has made most of the views given in his speeches available. Where he does in fact border on the topics you keep claiming he doesn't. You can scream all you want that you didn't say he doesn't express his policies when he gives speeches. This was proven false. Deal with it.

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I don't know that. If I knew that, I am sure the RNC would know that and he wouldn't be our candidate.

The RNC wouldn't pick a senile person or in other words an old person as their nominee? Are you out of your mind? Do you think they don't notice how old 70+ years is? Come on jallman. You're joking right?

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At any given moment I don't keep the Shi'te and Sunni sects straight.

I obviously have higher standards for the President of the United States forgive me for expecting "some guy who lives in a mansion"(DarKWizard) to know that Al-Qaeda and Iranians aren't exactly friends and be a little more then "some guy who lives in a mansion".

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I imagine over the hours and hours and hours he gives speeches all day, he is bound to make some mistakes. It proves nothing to me that the media jumped on three ocassions that he mis-spoke and it certainly isn't 3 in a row, I am sure. Prolly three over a few weeks, but I am more than certain there were speeches between those speeches.

No, classic signs of being tired on the campaign trail.

3 times in the campaign trail? Maybe if he'd campaigned in 2004 and then 2008. But 3 in the same campaign trail would certainly constitute as 3 in a row

The Raw Story | Once again, McCain confuses Sunnis with Shiites

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Thank God for small favors...

Not to mention I'd have to work with old people from time to time. No patience for anybody over 60 to be honest.

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I am sure Obamania has a little more to do with that lack of assurance than any real transgression on McCain's part.

Call it, refusal to have any of these old folks, who should be retired, run this country into the group. Elderly bigotry if you'd like.

jallman · 04-27-08, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Elderly bigotry if you'd like.

So it would appear. I rest my case.

Hatuey · 04-27-08, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

You're going to call a 5 year evolution in thought that grew with technology and evidence a flip flop? Now you're reeaaally stretching it.

Too bad such an evolution came 25 years after most of Washington started getting in line with passing ethanol exemptions.

DeeJayH · 04-27-08, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

You can't prove an opposite from Obama because he doesn't express his policies when he speaks. I have access to find what are his supposed views on different subjects, but I haven't seen one speech where he, with his own mouth, spoke is actual positions. All I ever hear from him is that his grandmother is a "typical white person" and that small town people are "bitter clinging to guns and religion". Oh, and "CHAAAANGE, We need CHAAAAANGE!!!! Oh yeah, and some HOPE in here too. HOOOOPE and CHAAAAANGE".

I haven't the first clue what he actually believes.

one would think everybody would have learned from Kerrys

"go to my website" campaign failure

independent_thinker2002 · 04-27-08, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

And? My roommate promised to pay some guy $10 last week, I reminded him of it 3 days ago and he didn't remember it at all. He's 23. If John McCain weren't 72 no one would be saying **** about forgetting one line, you're trying to paint an image similar to if I started trying to create the image that Obama might secretly be a crack dealer, posting evidence of him sneaking off in bad neighborhoods of Chicago, his admitted prior use of cocaine, etc. I find it ironic that in one thread you lament how people vote based on nothing, and then in the next thread you take whatever you can to insinuate McCain is senile with no evidence other than forgetting little things!

Tell your roommate that I won't be voting for him either.

I just offered up a fact. I didn't say that he was having a "senior moment" like Brit Hume did with the conflation gaffe. It's something to keep an eye on though. Call it blowback from Reagan's "I don't recall" testimony during the Iran-Contra hearings.

Hatuey · 04-27-08, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

And you don't see anything significant happening to the energy market over the past 5 years? What was the price of oil in 2003? $50 tops, right?

So forgive me if I say I find your position here disingenuous.

Notice how I didn't contest that part of his argument. I contested the part where he obviously had absolutely no clue as to what he was talking about(in bold).

independent_thinker2002 · 04-27-08, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

You're going to call a 5 year evolution in thought that grew with technology and evidence a flip flop? Now you're reeaaally stretching it.

He is wrong about Ethanol. There is no corn pipeline. It takes a gallon of gas to make a gallon of ethanol. It has to be trucked or railed to be processed. It also drives up food costs.

Rightwing86 · 04-27-08, 07:46 PM

I don't see why an argument even happens in this thread. The poster said, "What do you support about McCain and his platform?" And then we get people who come in and attack people for answering the question... Do you people have any excuse for your rude behavior? I know this isn't answering the question, but I already answered it. I just think that if this is what politics has come to on this forum... It's quite disappointing.

Hatuey · 04-27-08, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

Well maybe you should question how much you know what you're talking about, because ethanol is a net polluter over oil, because of the pollution that happens as a product of production.

Galenrox, you're claiming ethanol net pollutes more then oil. McCain said we should look into it because of it's green house gas effect reduction effect. Contradiction much?

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On the Confederate Flag, it is both a symbol of slavery and a symbol of heritage, depending on who you talk to. To a lot of people the civil war was about slavery, and southern white culture represents all of the brutality, murder, and oppression that came with slavery and then all the **** that happened afterwards. This is clearly a valid belief. There are many other aspects to white southern culture though. There's the belief in freedom from government and all that represents, the belief in self governance (obviously not extended to black pnd
eople for the majority of American history, but that's another story). It represents both. I think it's absurd to assert that it's at all contradictory to acknowledge both aspects of the symbol.

The spin of you McCain supporters on this issue is just wild. McCain said he personally believes the flag is a symbol of heritage. Days before he called for the removal of the state flag because it's offensive, a symbol of racism and slavery. Either he's a very confused individual or he doesn't know whether he finds something offensive or not. McCain himself admitted to having sacrificed his own principle for personal or a better word political ambition. Are you seriously standing here saying it's not a flip flop? I got a bridge for ya then.

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When asked by a reporter how he felt about the Confederate flag during a January 12 campaign event, McCain replied: "Personally, I see the flag as symbol of heritage."

The Arizona senator expressed regret for that stance on Wednesday, telling the audience of Republicans: "I feared that if I answered honestly, I could not win the South Carolina primary. So I chose to compromise my principles."

You were saying? He admits to having been dishonest but it's not a flip flop? I guess his backstabbing of Catholics in Texas wasn't a flip flop either.

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Rightwing86 Student Join Date: Jun 2006 Last Seen: 03-12-10 09:44 PM Posts: 288 Thanks: 10 Thanked 90 Times in 60 Posts	Re: McCain supporters... I don't see why an argument even happens in this thread. The poster said, "What do you support about McCain and his platform?" And then we get people who come in and attack people for answering the question... Do you people have any excuse for your rude behavior? I know this isn't answering the question, but I already answered it. I just think that if this is what politics has come to on this forum... It's quite disappointing.

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