McCain supporters... - Page 2

Rightwing86 · 04-27-08, 12:08 AM

Everyone, stop hijacking this thread and speaking about abortion and gay marriage. He asked what people SUPPORTING McCain liked about his policies, he didn't ask you how your parents raised you, or why your NOT support McCain, so can it.

1. His view on the Iraq war, and his criticisms of Rumsfield.
2. Being able to reach across the isle to solve political problems.
3. Has the experience to know how Washington works. (This was a huge problem with Jimmy Carter)
4. Understanding that Iran must not get nuclear weapons.
5. Not being afraid to say he will look to his advisers for advising.

jallman · 04-27-08, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rathi

Prove that Obama is the opposite on number 4, number 7, number 8 and number 9.

Furthermore, McCain is not small government or based on making the military strong. McCain's continued support of Iraq wastes military equipment and manpower, substantially weakening our power around the globe. Additionally, he has not called to for generalized federal cuts across the board to make government smaller.

You can't prove an opposite from Obama because he doesn't express his policies when he speaks. I have access to find what are his supposed views on different subjects, but I haven't seen one speech where he, with his own mouth, spoke is actual positions. All I ever hear from him is that his grandmother is a "typical white person" and that small town people are "bitter clinging to guns and religion". Oh, and "CHAAAANGE, We need CHAAAAANGE!!!! Oh yeah, and some HOPE in here too. HOOOOPE and CHAAAAANGE".

I haven't the first clue what he actually believes.

jallman · 04-27-08, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rightwing86

Everyone, stop hijacking this thread and speaking about abortion and gay marriage. He asked what people SUPPORTING McCain liked about his policies, he didn't ask you how your parents raised you, or why your NOT support McCain, so can it.

1. His view on the Iraq war, and his criticisms of Rumsfield.
2. Being able to reach across the isle to solve political problems.
3. Has the experience to know how Washington works. (This was a huge problem with Jimmy Carter)
4. Understanding that Iran must not get nuclear weapons.
5. Not being afraid to say he will look to his advisers for advising.

My biggest two are the first two you list. So lets just say I agree for the most part.

Also, we have mods that moderate these forums fairly and frequently. If there is a hijacking of a thread, you might want to let them do their job. I can assure you, they will make that call, not you.

Hatuey · 04-27-08, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

You can't prove an opposite from Obama because he doesn't express his policies when he speaks. I have access to find what are his supposed views on different subjects, but I haven't seen one speech where he, with his own mouth, spoke is actual positions. All I ever hear from him is that his grandmother is a "typical white person" and that small town people are "bitter clinging to guns and religion". Oh, and "CHAAAANGE, We need CHAAAAANGE!!!! Oh yeah, and some HOPE in here too. HOOOOPE and CHAAAAANGE".

I haven't the first clue what he actually believes.

Bit disingenuous this week aren't we? It's not like there aren't literally hundreds of reliable websites like VoteSmart that post his positions or the very least votes on various issues(apparently none of the 3 candidates have returned their questionnaires of positions on specific issues - hmmmmmmmm).

On a 5 second search through Google.

Barack Obama on Civil Liberties - Barack Obama's Positions on Key Civil Liberties Issues

Political positions of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Senators Clinton and Obama's Positions on Casinos | Young Philly Politics

Project Vote Smart - Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. - Voting Record

Barack Obama Health Care Positions - 2008

http://www.artsactionfund.org/pdf/ar...Obamaarts2.pdf

Foreign Policy In Focus | Barack Obama on the Middle East

Barack Obama - Council on Foreign Relations

You know Jallman. I'd expect NP to say something like what you said. But you're what. 30 something? You should know the internet is a very powerful tool. Where if you look for more then 30 seconds instead of parroting what others say, you'll get a few bits of information on anything from the benefits of eating Sushi to the size of a star a few million light years away.

Project Vote Smart - Senator John Sidney McCain III - Issue Positions (Political Courage Test)

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Originally Posted by Issue Positions of John McCain

Senator John Sidney McCain III repeatedly refused to provide any responses to citizens on the issues through the 2008 Political Courage Test when asked to do so by national leaders of the political parties, prominent members of the media, Project Vote Smart President Richard Kimball, and Project Vote Smart staff.

Project Vote Smart - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton - Issue Positions (Political Courage Test)

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Originally Posted by Issue Positions of Hillary Clinton

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton repeatedly refused to provide any responses to citizens on the issues through the 2008 Political Courage Test when asked to do so by national leaders of the political parties, prominent members of the media, Project Vote Smart President Richard Kimball, and Project Vote Smart staff.

Project Vote Smart - Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. - Issue Positions (Political Courage Test)

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Originally Posted by Issue Positions of Barack H. Obama

Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. repeatedly refused to provide any responses to citizens on the issues through the 2008 Political Courage Test when asked to do so by national leaders of the political parties, prominent members of the media, Project Vote Smart President Richard Kimball, and Project Vote Smart staff.

It's one thing to be ignorant simply because you're ignorant. It's another to be ignorant for political purposes.

galenrox · 04-27-08, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rsixing

To all the McCain supporters;

What specific policies of his do you support and why?

What planks of his platform, specifically, are you for and why?

1) He will nominate judges concerned with the text of laws.
2) He opposes bailing out irresponsible borrowers/lenders.
3) He will allow market mechanisms to take their course in our economy
4) He will cut spending
5) He will cut taxes

most of my support comes from broader things than promises on specific issues, rooted in the realization that you're not electing a President to deal with the issues of the past, but every issue we'll see over the next 4 years. Even in the 5 I listed, none of those refers to specific pieces of legislation. I can't say who specifically he'll nominate to the Supreme Court, but I have confidence s/he'll be good, it's hard to say which laws are passed to leave people alone economically (as that's typically a lack of legislation, not specific legislation itself). Hopefully he'll cut spending and taxes more than once, so it wouldn't just be referring to one piece of legislation.

He has proven to me that I am safe in entrusting our foreign policy to him in the position of commander in chief. Specifically he's shown a Theodore Rooseveltian approach to diplomacy and a Churchillian approach to warfare, which is, to me, the best of both worlds.
I appreciate statesmanship in all forms, but with him I have the rare benefit of seeing it from someone who also mostly agrees with me.
He's shown that he understands the government should stay the hell out of the economy.

jallman · 04-27-08, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

Bit disingenuous this week aren't we? It's not like there aren't literally hundreds of reliable websites like VoteSmart that post his positions or the very least votes on various issues(apparently none of the 3 candidates have returned their questionnaires of positions on specific issues - hmmmmmmmm).

On a 5 second search through Google.

Barack Obama on Civil Liberties - Barack Obama's Positions on Key Civil Liberties Issues

Political positions of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Senators Clinton and Obama's Positions on Casinos | Young Philly Politics

Project Vote Smart - Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. - Voting Record

Barack Obama Health Care Positions - 2008

http://www.artsactionfund.org/pdf/ar...Obamaarts2.pdf

Foreign Policy In Focus | Barack Obama on the Middle East

Barack Obama - Council on Foreign Relations

You know Jallman. I'd expect NP to say something like what you said. But you're what. 30 something? You should know the internet is a very powerful tool. Where if you look for more then 30 seconds instead of parroting what others say, you'll get a few bits of information on anything from the benefits of eating Sushi to the size of a star a few million light years away.

Project Vote Smart - Senator John Sidney McCain III - Issue Positions (Political Courage Test)

Project Vote Smart - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton - Issue Positions (Political Courage Test)

Project Vote Smart - Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. - Issue Positions (Political Courage Test)

It's one thing to be ignorant simply because you're ignorant. It's another to be ignorant for political purposes.

I guess you completely missed the part where I said:

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Originally Posted by jallman

I have access to find what are his supposed views on different subjects, but I haven't seen one speech where he, with his own mouth, spoke his actual positions.

I know what the sites say about his positions. I simply haven't heard a satisfactory personal statement of those positions from him.

Accuse me of being disingenuous but please don't mind me pointing out how careless you are with details when forming your analysis.

disneydude · 04-27-08, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aegyptos

Re: McCain supporters...

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I like his tax plans.

I like his spending plans.

I like the fact that he is a veteran.

I like the fact that he owes nothing to the extreme right.

I like his temper.

I like the fact that he's pro-life.

I don't like his foreign policy but I don't like our foreign policy for 60 years.
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Hatuey · 04-27-08, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

I guess you completely missed the part where I said:

I know what the sites say about his positions. I simply haven't heard a satisfactory personal statement of those positions from him.

Accuse me of being disingenuous but please don't mind me pointing out how careless you are with details when forming your analysis.

So wait - your entire post was made because you're too lazy to look through websites with video search engines like YouTube, Yahoo and now even Google? Alright then. I guess then you're not being disingenuous. Just a lazy scoop of vanilla. Which isn't better.

jallman · 04-27-08, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

So wait - your entire post was made because you're too lazy to look through websites with video search engines like YouTube, Yahoo and now even Google? Alright then. I guess then you're not being disingenuous. Just a lazy scoop of vanilla. Which isn't better.

I typically don't go looking for Obama's stances on things because I don't intend to vote for him and never have. The crux of my point is that the other candidates, even Ron Paul, got their ideas out there and I knew where they stood. With Obama, who supposedly has the same air time, I've heard nothing but lofty speeches and problems. Sue me for expecting a candidate to engage me with his stances before he tells me how great he can make America. I just think Obama worked backwards here.

Hatuey · 04-27-08, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jallman

I typically don't go looking for Obama's stances on things because I don't intend to vote for him and never have.

So then it's not Obama's fault that there are people who choose to be ignorant for political purposes is it?

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The crux of my point is that the other candidates, even Ron Paul, got their ideas out there and I knew where they stood. With Obama, who supposedly has the same air time, I've heard nothing but lofty speeches and problems. Sue me for expecting a candidate to engage me with his stances before he tells me how great he can make America. I just think Obama worked backwards here.

Yeah....it's not like Obama has been praised for engaging and putting himself out there on the internet more then any other candidate with the one exception being Paul.

YouTube - Barack Obama on Health Care

YouTube - Barack Obama on Education

YouTube - Barack Obama discusses rural issues near Adel

YouTube - Barack Obama On Equal Pay

YouTube - Barack Obama: On Net Neutrality

YouTube - Barack Obama on Energy and the Environment

Add to this 5 second search over 900+ videos posted by Obama's team alone ranging everywhere from speeches on Healthcare to speeches on the Iraq war. Jallman it's one thing to claim ignorance because in reality there isn't a source out there and another to claim ignorant because you've heard there aren't any sources. You're trying to claim the first one. But in reality it seems to be more of the second one.