Voidwar

Who cares, you can't prove it would.
All you can do is speculate. Poorly.

obvious Child

It is quite clear that Rouge doesn't care about facts at all. History apparently isn't something that is important to this argument in any regard. Since Rouge clearly does not wish to discuss the history of why people migrant or look at what caused such migrations to end, and faced with an argument he cannot even begin to deal with, he resorts to childish insults and claims of massive conspiracy. Furthermore, instead of addressing the rebuttal given to him, he would rather engage in a childish accusation of being an activist or a follower of a politician.

That's rather quite sad.

Rouge literally calls history propaganda.

When did Calderon even discuss South Korea, Eastern European or other countries' history of immigration for better lives?

I suppose life is easier when you don't want to deal with complex issues and maintaining the discussion at a childish level.

Rogue

Translation: I lost my ass. I'm getting out of here.

That mass exodus of illegals from Arizona and Oklahoma wasn't speculation.

Rogue

Child and Void doubleteaming. How sweet.

Child lost his ass so he's pulling out too?

obvious Child

Lost? Hardly.

You don't want to deal with a variety of complex issues. I even stated so in my previous post how if you actually dealt with them, your arguments would fall apart. You in response to those points made up some crazy conspiracy instead of as I predicted, dealing with the complex issues. It's pretty clear that you are adamantly against looking at history, the bigger picture or actual solutions that benefit everyone. You want to keep the discussion at a childish immature level because it is the only way you can hope to win an argument. As I brought in various complex issues, you rejected them all. Anyone who looks at this thread will see me discussing complex issues and you acting like a immature insolent child.

Since you are obviously against discussing the topic in an informed, civil, adult like manner, there's no real reason to even discuss anything with someone like you.

You didn't deal with anything I wrote at all. You resorted to conspiracy theories and insults. Furthermore, you've completely failed to address any of the questions I asked you.

It's pretty clear you're not here to discuss the facts or reality.
You just want to propagate your beliefs without even considering the alternatives. Anyone who provides an alternative view is instantly derided by you and you absolutely refuse to even consider their points.

That's childish and immature. And a good reason to ignore you in the future.

Rogue

Wow. The ?big gun? pro illegal open border activist gets his feelings hurt because he didn't get a chance to throw out and impress us with a lot of pro illegal propaganda. The topic was about forcing the employers of illegals to stop hiring illegals, which would remove the jobs magnet that draws the illegals here in the first place, which would stop the illegal Mexican invasion cold. Those illegals already here, suddenly without jobs, would have to go back to where they came from. This worked pretty good in Arizona and Oklahoma, causing a mass self exodus of illegals from those states. This would be beneficial to all.....legal citizens.

Since you obviously don't want to stop the illegal Mexican invasion, you're not about the really address this topic. You prefer to avoid the topic, like your buddy, ask irrelevant questions and give a history lesson? Maybe work in a little pro illegal propaganda? A few sob stories?

obvious Child

My feelings are in no way hurt. I'm actually quite amused you keep proving my points about why you are worthy of the ignore list:

1) Anyone who disagrees with you is instantly attacked
2) You adamantly refuse to even consider alternative points
3) You refuse to address the complex historical issues
4) You even called history "propaganda"
5) You refuse to answer any questions
6) You rely heavily on personal insults claim conspiracy

Thus, you are not worth discussing anything with, but I suspect that everyone else has realized this and due to my late registration, this is new news to me.

Voidwar

Already addressed on page 7 . . .

Rogue

And best left on page 7.


Again, that mass exodus of illegals from Arizona and Oklahoma wasn't speculation, it proved that tough on illegals laws work by removing the jobs magnet which draws the illegals here in the first place. Remove the jobs magnet and the only illegals that will come will be the criminals, drug and human smugglers, murderers, child molesters, gang bangers, terrorists, and others. Those illegals here already that aren't these types of criminals will have to go back home.

Rogue

Glad that your feelings aren't hurt and that you can amuse yourself.

1. I certainly don't attack just anybody. Mainly just pro illegals who are blatantly dishonest with their arguments and try to hide their real agendas.

2. That's usually just with someone who tries to hijack a thread or go off on some tangent.

3. Your historical issues are basically irrelevant concerning forcing scumbag employers of illegals to stop hiring illegals, aren't they? Wage differentials become irrelevant when scumbag employers of illegals can no longer hire illegals, don't they? It really makes no difference why illegals want to breakin if scumbag employers can't hire them anymore, does it? And also you dishonesly refused to address why we would want to continue letting scumbag employers continue to hire illegals.

4. I'm just talking about those historical facts that have been manipulated to serve an agenda, like yours.

5. You refused to comment on my argument first. You know, you refused to comment on why scumbag employers should be forced to stop hiring illegals because it is counter to your agenda.

6. Conspiracy? If Calderon isn't paying you he should, although you haven't been real effective. There are so many pro illegal special interest traitors running around with overlapping agendas that one doesn't often run into a Calderon approved agenda, yet. Calderon would certainly like for the US is to build up Mexico over the next 10 to 15 years to balance the wage differential to stop Mexican poverty rejects from breaking into the US, wouldn't he? And also to continue to let the rest of all the Mexican poverty rejects that Mexico wants to dump on the US break in? Another 40 to 50 million or so? Does the US get anything else out of it, except the illegal Mexican invasion would then finally stop? Would the illegal Mexican invasion stop because the wage differential balanced out or because there weren't any more Mexican poverty rejects left to break in? Wouldn't forcing the American scumbag employers who hire illegals to stop hiring illegals do the same thing, that is stopping Mexican poverty rejects from breaking in, except that would stop the poverty rejects from breaking in right now? Calderon loves the remittances illegals send back to Mexico doesn't he? Forcing scumbag employers to stop hiring illegals would reduce those remittances drastically wouldn't it. No wonder you and Calderon don't want the scumbag employers to stop hiring illegals.

Yeah, that's right, I'm not worth having a pro illegal's discussion with, especially when the pro illegals lose their ass. Of course, your late registration, a couple of months after Calderon announced his PR campaign to persuade American sheeple to bend over for the illegal Mexican invasion, would leave you in a catch up mode.