So Who Is REALLY Responsible For The Illegal Mexican Invasion? - Page 5

Rogue · 04-25-08, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Voidwar

Neither one of you is able to confront the fact that you dont want to jail your neighbor for hiring the illegals with the snowblade.

Just a scapegoating of "businesses", a convenient classist attack instead of targetting the ILLEGAL alien.

Ignoring the wrong committed by the illegal alien, and putting all blame on the employer cost you any credibility and exposes the classism.

If we're in a state that has enacted tough on illegals laws, or tough on the employers of illegals, if you prefer, and that "neighbor with the snowblade" knowingly hires illegals, then yes that neighbor should get what's coming to him.

The two factions are the employers of illegals who offer to hire illegals at cheap wages if they will come, and the illegals themselves who come to take the jobs with the cheap wages offered by the employers of illegals. So, if the employers of illegals are forced to stop offering to hire illegals, or suffer the consequences, what will be the result? Just a guess, the illegals will STOP coming? That's a no brainer. But wait, the illegals who are already here will have no jobs either. What are they to do? Just a guess, THEY WILL SELF DEPORT BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM? That's another no brainer.

So what would the consequences then be? Well, the employers of illegals would lose their very lucrative so called cheap labor, which is totally subsidized by the American taxpayers, you know, with social services, ER medical, free education, incarceration of criminal illegals, etc., etc. And what would be the cost to the American taxpayer? VERY LITTLE.

What I'm not Ignoring is the fact that 20 million illegals are wrecking this country, so that a few industries can have subidized cheap labor. And your secret agenda to scapegoat illegals to draw attention away from the real reason illegals come in the first place, the jobs magnet provided by the employers of illegals , exposes you too, and you never had much credibility to begin with.

Voidwar · 04-25-08, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesrage

If your nieghbor was running a crackhouse that was attacking gangs and a whole bunch of other criminals wouldn't you want men to come in and take that neighbor to jail?Yes or no?

I might answer your question, after you provide a yes or no answer to mine.

Voidwar · 04-25-08, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

So, if the employers of illegals are forced to stop offering to hire illegals, or suffer the consequences, what will be the result? Just a guess, the illegals will STOP coming? That's a no brainer. But wait, the illegals who are already here will have no jobs either. What are they to do? Just a guess, THEY WILL SELF DEPORT BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM? That's another no brainer.

If you won't pay for enough border guards to deport these illegals, why should I believe you would fund the agency well enough to even make a dent on the businesses ? American citizen business owners have expensive lawyers and citizenship to fight you with, Illegals don't. If you can't deport illegals, why should I believe you will have any effect on employers ? So there isn't much reason for me to believe that you can remove the possibility of employment, as there are more homeowners willing to hire snow removal than there are INS types trying to catch them.

Further, your assumption that they would go home is kind of hollow.
Why would they go home ? No jobs there.
They move for jobs right ?? Thats the myth you are perpetuating ??
No Jobs in Mexico, so no reason to think they will go home.
Better emergency rooms here for their anchor babies.

Rogue · 04-25-08, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Voidwar

If you won't pay for enough border guards to deport these illegals, why should I believe you would fund the agency well enough to even make a dent on the businesses ? American citizen business owners have expensive lawyers and citizenship to fight you with, Illegals don't. If you can't deport illegals, why should I believe you will have any effect on employers ? So there isn't much reason for me to believe that you can remove the possibility of employment, as there are more homeowners willing to hire snow removal than there are INS types trying to catch them.

Further, your assumption that they would go home is kind of hollow.
Why would they go home ? No jobs there.
They move for jobs right ?? Thats the myth you are perpetuating ??
No Jobs in Mexico, so no reason to think they will go home.
Better emergency rooms here for their anchor babies.

Well, I keep using the tough on the employers of illegals laws as passed in Arizona and Oklahoma as a model, which resulted in a mass exodus of illegals from those states. Did those employers of illegals hire a bunch of lawyers or just simply fire the illegals they had working for them? Based on the mass exodus of illegals in those states, what do you think the employers of illegals did? Most of those fired illegals moved to Texas but a lot of them self deported back to Mexico as evidenced by the Mexican legislators who are screaming bloody murder that they don't want these Mexican national poverty rejects back that Mexico originally dumped on the US.

Your 'homeowners hiring illegals for snow removal' is nothing but a strawman argument. INS would only go after those businesses that are the real employers of illegals.

The fact that you're a shill for the employers of illegals is readily evident. What your real agenda is still bears some scrutiny.

jamesrage · 04-25-08, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Voidwar

I might answer your question, after you provide a yes or no answer to mine.

The answer to your question is yes.If my neighbor is knowingly/deliberately hiring illegals then he is getting everything he deserves when law enforcement comes in and arrest his ***.The neighbor who hires illegals is not a good neighbor,therefore the authorities should deal with that neighbor.

Voidwar · 04-26-08, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Well, I keep using the tough on the employers of illegals laws as passed in Arizona and Oklahoma as a model, which resulted in a mass exodus of illegals from those states. Did those employers of illegals hire a bunch of lawyers or just simply fire the illegals they had working for them? Based on the mass exodus of illegals in those states, what do you think the employers of illegals did? Most of those fired illegals moved to Texas

"Mass exodus" is your term, and I don't put much credence in it, lets see proof, and tell me where you got the numbers.

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Your 'homeowners hiring illegals for snow removal' is nothing but a strawman argument. INS would only go after those businesses that are the real employers of illegals.

Its really just a question of how much richer than you the target is.

Your envy and classism is on full display.

You also did nothing to address the fact that the assumption is flawed, since there are no jobs in mexico. Remember you assumed that jobs is what makes em move. No jobs in mexico either.

Bodhisattva · 04-26-08, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

We all know that the fed gov doesn't work for American citizens anymore regarding illegal immigration. But I lay the responsibility for both that and the illegal Mexican invasion where it belongs, on the employers of illegals. The employers of illegals are the ones providing the jobs magnet that draws the illegals here in the first place. Apparently employing illegals is so lucrative that the employers of illegals have all the money they need to buy all of the politicians, including Presidents, they need to keep the borders open and the cheap labor coming in. They also have been able to afford legions of activist/lobbyists who are paid to try and convince America that the American economy can't get along without illegal labor. In reality, it's just the employers of illegal's pocketbooks taking a hit that they're worried about. Another important function of these activists is to deflect attention away from what these employers of illegals are actually doing. They've earned their money because you never hear of anyone wanting to tar and feather the bastard employers of illegals.

The ONLY thing that is going to effectively reverse the illegal Mexican invasion is to remove the jobs magnet that brings the illegals here in the first place. It's a no brainer. Everyone knows that the fed gov is dysfunctional because of all the paid for lobbyists and bought off politicians. At the states level, however, Arizona and Oklahoma passed tough on illegals laws that forced MANDATORY e-verification of an employees legal status on businesses, and REMOVES the business licenses of repeat offender employers of illegals, which effectively dried up the jobs magnet for most of these illegals, which in turn resulted in a mass self deportation of many of the illegals. All at little expense to American taxpayers.

It makes it a little easier to fight the illegal Mexican invasion when you realize who is really behind it and fully responsible for it, the employers of illegals.

The blame lays on the Mexican government for being so corrupt and inept
The blame lays on the Mexican people that ILLEGALLY break into the Good Ol' USA
The blame lays on the US Government for not better enforcing the borders and allowing ILLEGAL Mexican Immigrants access to our great country.

That is all... deal with it.