So Who Is REALLY Responsible For The Illegal Mexican Invasion? - Page 2

MC.no.spin · 04-22-08, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake Blues

Employers bring them in and then make taxpayers pick up the tab.
They send them down to the emergency room when any healthcare is needed.California has had to close down some 30 emergemcy rooms in the last year alone because they use them and the federal government using your tax dollars is supposed to pay, only the federal government is degenerate.So the emergency rooms bleed red ink until shutdown is inevitable.Think about that the next time you need emergency care and have to drive an hour or more.Companies subvert all kinds of laws such as OSHA rules and Health Code,I worked with ignorant illegals and they not only don't speak English they can't read. You put your life in your hands eating at places where they work.Chinese illegals are even worse.Their hygeine is absolutely disgusting!

Are schools are so overrun with illegals we need more teachers and teachers are wasting time teaching down so that they can keep up.More of your tax dollars.

When they commit crime they slide right back over the border.There is now open warfare in some cities between African-Americans and Latino gangs with many innocent people getting caught up in between.Chicago had thirty shootings in 12 hours this past weekeend!

We are fast becoming a third world country.It's a real shame to see what is happening to this country so some jerks can exploit ignorant illegals and get around hiring Americans.Before people say these are jobs are jobs nobody wants, let me say there are plenty of students,legal immigrants and others who would do the work.That is a big lie that the illegal employers keep feeding us.The congress has become nothing but a bunch of rich hypocrites so out of touch with real Americans.Joe Leiberman is one Romney is another.Hiring illegals is the last time I checked against US law.If US lawmakers don't follow the law then why should we expect that any else would?Which starts a trend if you dont like a law just ignore it.

The solution is jailtime and revocation of business licenses as well as stiff monetary penalties.

Good post, but regarding Romney, he is:

a. Not a member of Congress
b. Has been the most out-spoken and strong on the illegal immigrant situation of the 2008 presidential candidates, other than Duncan Hunter. He has been firm on his position of deporting these law breakers and putting them in the back of the line, etc. He of course had to walk a finer line when he was Governor of the People's Republic of Massachussets.

The Dems have flip-flopped on this issue, namely the WALL they voted FOR but have since refused to enforce get built.

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OBAMA: Well, this is an area where Senator Clinton and I almost entirely agree. I think that the key is to consult with local communities, whether it's on the commercial interests or the environmental stakes of creating any kind of barrier.

And the Bush administration is not real good at listening. That's not what they do well.

(LAUGHTER)

And so I will reverse that policy. As Senator Clinton indicated, there may be areas where it makes sense to have some fencing. But for the most part, having border patrolled, surveillance, deploying effective technology, that's going to be the better approach.

Roberto Lovato: Obama, Clinton Dump Border Wall in Debate - Politics on The Huffington Post

americanwoman · 04-22-08, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Voluntary

Getting rid of the welfare state and anchor babies would reduce illegal immigration.

Hardly. Do you really think someone who doesn't care if they are legal or not cares if their children are? Or that they really need to rely on welfare 100% when they can get a job that pays cash. You have to go after the people who enable them- mainly politicians and the greedy business owners who employ them.

bub · 04-22-08, 04:15 PM

I've heard that the owners of big enterprises are lobbying so that governments allow massive immigration/don't try to prevent it.

With a huge "stock" of cheap labour force, they can lower the salary of every worker (even the legal ones)

As simple as that

If you want to prevent that, fix a higher minimum wage (5$/hour is slavery). And enforce it.

Rogue · 04-22-08, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bub

I've heard that the owners of big enterprises are lobbying so that governments allow massive immigration/don't try to prevent it.

With a huge "stock" of cheap labour force, they can lower the salary of every worker (even the legal ones)

As simple as that

If you want to prevent that, fix a higher minimum wage (5$/hour is slavery). And enforce it.

Yeah, they're going to do it about a decade or so AGO. Yeah, they were able to lower the salaries of low skilled American workers.

Explain how to enforce a minimum wage on illegal alien labor.

bub · 04-22-08, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Yeah, they're going to do it about a decade or so AGO. Yeah, they were able to lower the salaries of low skilled American workers.

Explain how to enforce a minimum wage on illegal alien labor.

aren't there controls?

jamesrage · 04-22-08, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bub

I've heard that the owners of big enterprises are lobbying so that governments allow massive immigration/don't try to prevent it.

With a huge "stock" of cheap labour force, they can lower the salary of every worker (even the legal ones)

As simple as that

If you want to prevent that, fix a higher minimum wage (5$/hour is slavery). And enforce it.

While I do agree that the minimum wage should be increased I fail to see how a company that deliberately uses illegal labor is going to hire people at a increased minimum let alone the minimum wage we have now.

1069 · 04-22-08, 07:00 PM

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So Who Is REALLY Responsible For The Illegal Mexican Invasion?

Ricky Martin?

Rogue · 04-22-08, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1069

Ricky Martin?

Hold everything! I think 69 was trying to be humerous?

Voidwar · 04-24-08, 05:29 AM

The point of view expressed in the OP, imo, uses the convenient issue of illegal immigrants to make a classist attack on corporations in america.

Do you want to go after small households that employ a housekeeper ?

Homeowners who employ illegal handymen or lawn care help ?

Or just big business ?

Rather than attack one class or the other of Americans, lets just deport those who have it coming. Begin to seriously enforce the law we have and the problem will move back home.

If you intend to target "big business", realize that all you are doing is bothering the biggest business, while business 4 and 5 on the list diversify into 10 businesses. If they diversify, they will be small enough to escape notice, so all you end up doing is punishing the current leader for leading, you dont impact the labor one bit.

Rogue · 04-24-08, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Voidwar

The point of view expressed in the OP, imo, uses the convenient issue of illegal immigrants to make a classist attack on corporations in america.

Do you want to go after small households that employ a housekeeper ?

Homeowners who employ illegal handymen or lawn care help ?

Or just big business ?

Rather than attack one class or the other of Americans, lets just deport those who have it coming. Begin to seriously enforce the law we have and the problem will move back home.

If you intend to target "big business", realize that all you are doing is bothering the biggest business, while business 4 and 5 on the list diversify into 10 businesses. If they diversify, they will be small enough to escape notice, so all you end up doing is punishing the current leader for leading, you dont impact the labor one bit.

The tough on illegals laws, or the tough on the employers of illegals laws, whichever you prefer, that Arizona and Oklahoma passed, which required MANDATORY e-verification of an employee's legal status, REMOVED the business license of repeat offender employers of illegals, and required PROOF of legal status to receive any social services, would seem to apply to ALL businesses, big or small.