Palestinian Terrorist Groups and Collective Punishment of Palestinians - Page 4

Red_Dave · 04-26-08, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vader

Ok. So how do we punish Hamas without punishing the rest of the Palestinian people?

Maybe the rest of the Palestinian people will finally figure out that Hamas is the cause of their suffering. Maybe those people will grow a set of balls and rise up against Hineya and his Hamas cronies.

Until then, how do we stop Hamas from stealing humanitarian aid? How dod we punish ONLY Hamas?

Remember, the majority of Palestinians voted for the Hamas terrorist group. If they want to the punishnment to end, they MUST rise up and squash the terrorists they elected.

I dont think the focus should be on "punishing" Hamas but on removing there capacity to attack and in the long run resolving the conflict. Regarding your later point how do you expect the palestians to do the dirty work for a regime that treats them like dirt? You seam to be labouring under the assumption that if Isreal makes things worse for the palestians then they will turn on Hamas, but if you look at the history of other conflicts of a similar ilk then you,ll see that this tactic always has the opossite effect

donsutherland1 · 04-27-08, 06:28 PM

In yet another incident in which Hamas or other Palestinian terrorist groups sought to impose collective punishment on the Gaza Strip's residents, Hamas blocked deliveries of fuel that was intended for, among other places, hospitals. The Jerusalem Post reported:

Hamas militiamen in the Gaza Strip on Sunday attacked fuel trucks headed toward the Nahal Oz border crossing, forcing them to turn back, sources in the Palestinian Petroleum Authority said.

The fuel was supposed to go to the UN Relief and Works Agency [UNRWA] and hospitals in the Gaza Strip, the sources said.

Bodhisattva · 04-27-08, 08:48 PM

I am continually amazed at the Terrorist Apologists out there that can not differentiate between Armed Revolution where on military force engages another military force for supremecy as opposed to Blatent Terrorism where one side targets civilians and random attacks with roadside bombs, suicide bombs, and uncontrolled rocket attacks into the populace with no intention of engaging the others military, or for that matter, doing anything other than killing enough innocent people so that the legitimate side gives in... AND THEN, after decades and decades when the legit side starts to amass some of their own immoral actions it is turned around and used against them as an "Ahaa! Israel is a State Terrorist! against the poor palestinians"

Some of you really need to learn your history...

Some of you that know your history but are unable or unwilling to interpret it into the proper perspective... not much we can do for you and you are the ones that are the most dangerous.

Vader · 04-28-08, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Red_Dave

I dont think the focus should be on "punishing" Hamas but on removing there capacity to attack and in the long run resolving the conflict. Regarding your later point how do you expect the palestians to do the dirty work for a regime that treats them like dirt? You seam to be labouring under the assumption that if Isreal makes things worse for the palestians then they will turn on Hamas, but if you look at the history of other conflicts of a similar ilk then you,ll see that this tactic always has the opossite effect

Fair enough. I still think that anti-Hamas rhetoric needs to be broadcast into ALL Hamas controlled areas.

Offer the Palestinians something useful in exchange for turning on Hamas.

Red_Dave · 04-28-08, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Vader

Fair enough. I still think that anti-Hamas rhetoric needs to be broadcast into ALL Hamas controlled areas.

Offer the Palestinians something useful in exchange for turning on Hamas.

Wells wheres the incentive for this? Things were hardly brilliant for the palestinains under Fatah.

Red_Dave · 04-28-08, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

I am continually amazed at the Terrorist Apologists out there that can not differentiate between Armed Revolution where on military force engages another military force for supremecy as opposed to Blatent Terrorism where one side targets civilians and random attacks with roadside bombs, suicide bombs, and uncontrolled rocket attacks into the populace with no intention of engaging the others military, or for that matter, doing anything other than killing enough innocent people so that the legitimate side gives in... AND THEN, after decades and decades when the legit side starts to amass some of their own immoral actions it is turned around and used against them as an "Ahaa! Israel is a State Terrorist! against the poor palestinians"

Some of you really need to learn your history...

Some of you that know your history but are unable or unwilling to interpret it into the proper perspective... not much we can do for you and you are the ones that are the most dangerous.

Do you not think theres a difference between looking at the reasons people support terroism and being a "terroist apologist". This is a very unhelpful simplification given how doing the former is the only way you can work out how to resolve the conflict.

Bodhisattva · 04-28-08, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Dave

Do you not think theres a difference between looking at the reasons people support terroism and being a "terroist apologist". This is a very unhelpful simplification given how doing the former is the only way you can work out how to resolve the conflict.

Of course there is a difference
Of course the only way to solve the issue is to understand it.
Of course my statement is not unhelpful nor is it a simplification.

I am describing people that are actaully "Terrorist Apologists" and not people that genuinely want to understand the issue in order to solve it.

I am also describing people that give any sympathy whatsoever to Terrorist Organizations.

I would say that your was a very unhelpful simplification of my statement and that a person can either understand and integrate my thoughts or they can dismiss as unhelpful and simple with the only the former being the appropriate course of action if we hope to resolve misunderstandings and alter people's mindsets.

Vader · 04-28-08, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Red_Dave

Wells wheres the incentive for this? Things were hardly brilliant for the palestinains under Fatah.

They haven't gained much under Hamas either.

I just want peace in that region. I am open to suggestions at this point.

donsutherland1 · 04-29-08, 10:41 AM

Today's edition of The Jerusalem Post revealed:

The head of the Palestinian Authority's gas agency confirmed Tuesday that Hamas gunmen had raided the Palestinian side of the Nahal Oz fuel terminal, stealing at least 60,000 liters of fuel meant for the Gaza power station in order to fill their own vehicles...

"They took control of the fuel and fired toward the terminal in order to torpedo the flow of fuel to the Strip and to pressure Egypt into reopening the Rafah border crossing," said Salam.

Vader · 04-29-08, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by donsutherland1

Today's edition of The Jerusalem Post revealed:

The head of the Palestinian Authority's gas agency confirmed Tuesday that Hamas gunmen had raided the Palestinian side of the Nahal Oz fuel terminal, stealing at least 60,000 liters of fuel meant for the Gaza power station in order to fill their own vehicles...

"They took control of the fuel and fired toward the terminal in order to torpedo the flow of fuel to the Strip and to pressure Egypt into reopening the Rafah border crossing," said Salam.

We've all been saying for years that Hamas does not want peace. Hamas favors the final solution. Therefore, Hamas, like the nazis before them, must be stopped at all costs.