Rogue

Wow! Looks like the new tough on illegals laws recently passed in Arizona are working! Although most of the illegals that left Arizona and Oklahoma just moved to Texas, apparently some went back home.



Legislators from Mexican State Angry at Influx of...Mexicans (Wizbang)

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conman

The funny thing is that they really haven't enforced the law yet. If & when they do you will really see a mass exodus from Arizona.

obvious Child

And with the mass exodus out of Arizona, you'll see prices for local products increase along with firms in Arizona that hire illegals either go under due to increased costs or start to lay off workers that they can't afford. And after that, the local economy will take a hit. It's pretty obvious that increasing the costs of business will lead to less competitive advantage (if any). All in all, Arizonians will be, at least from a consumer aspect, worse off.

Plus with fewer opportunities in the US for 'honest' work, Arizona will likely see an increase in drug running, people smugglers and other more dangerous illegal behavior.

conman

You are assuming that the good people who have come here for "honest" work will jump into a life of crime to supplement their incomes.

We will take a hit at first, and some firms will not survive. We will adapt, and create new opportunities. That is what's great about America; we always find a way to survive.

Rogue

So are you an employer of illegals whinning about your illegal employees leaving the state and taking profits out of your pockets or simply a paid advocate for the employers of illegals? All of the other employers of illegals should be in the same situation as you since all of their employees left too. So whatever you do you should still be competitive with them.

obvious Child

Yes. By illegally coming to work in the US, they have made the decision that was their best choice. The wages in Mexico are terrible. There is a reason they come here in the first place. We're not going to solve the problem by barring them from entering the US. Illegal immigration will be solved when the country of origin can present better opportunities for its people. One of the opportunities other then illegal work is drug running. Mules get paid huge sums of cash to smuggle drugs in. Crime in Mexico pays pretty well. People will make choices that result in the most income.

Perhaps so, but right now is the WORST time we should be doing this. Adding additional costs to firms in a time of economic recession is not acceptable. Especially since many of the firms that employ illegals are construction, namely home building.

If you strip out the effects that socialized ethanol is doing, everything in America is rising in price except for food. There is a reason for this.

obvious Child

Neither. I just have a fairly good understanding of economics, unlike most Americans. It's not about profits. It's about competitiveness. And the larger scale is it about the larger economy.

Do you understand the concept of larger markets? Obviously you have failed to account for price elasticity. By increasing the costs, fewer consumers will be willing to purchase, resulting in less total rents for firms. This will obviously result in fewer firms. Fewer firms = less taxes and less direct jobs. Less direct jobs results in less spending resulting in even fewer indirect jobs. By making entire industries that rely on cheap labor more expensive you are damaging the entire economy. This has been repeated so many times across the world that people SHOULD be able to grasp it.

conman

If that was the case they would have already turned to drug dealing since that pays more than picking grapes or trimming trees.

Home building and construction overall (with the exception of road and city construction) has already come to a grinding halt here in AZ. This would be the best time to implement the laws by your estimation.

obvious Child

Not at all. They obviously made a choice that they thought was the best deal. Drug running carries other costs that they probably felt decreased the value that choice had in comparison to more or less safe work in the US. Now if we deny them the safe work option, they are left with several other choices. Now many of them are dangerous PLUS have low pay. It is pretty obvious where they are going to go.

If you want to destroy that industry entirely. With little income, adding more costs is hardly a good idea.

I always find it amusing that so-called 'conservatives' have no problem regulating the market with ideas and laws they'd normally call democrat/socialist/liberal when it comes to illegal immigration. Even worse, they have no problems burdening companies who are obviously using that labor due to cost and competitive reasons. Pro-business my ***.

Rogue

Getting back to the original thread, maybe you could explain why Calderon is spending 100 million dollars for activists like you to try and convince America of all the dire consequences that will befall America without all that wonderful illegal labor, but not a single peso to help those Mexican national poverty rejects that he origionally dumped on America who have been deported back or have self deported back to Mexico?