Gore begins huge public campaign to go green - Page 7

Reverend_Hellh0und · 04-02-08, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Middleground

Sigh.

Let me know when you're ready to debate like an adult.

Wow that was trollish. I posted you a link where Bush talks about global warming and ask you what you think.,

You respond with this nonsense challenging my "adultness"?

If you don't want to discuss the topic with people who disagree why start the thread? Geeze.

partier9 · 04-02-08, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by the makeout hobo

Where do you put all the waste?

How about here:
Yucca Mountain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The purpose of the Yucca Mountain project is to comply with the Nuclear Waste Policy Act of 1982 and develop a national site for spent nuclear fuel and high-level radioactive waste storage. The present prime contractor for the project is Bechtel SAIC (a consortium of government contractors Bechtel Corporation and Science Applications International Corporation). The consortium employs about 900 on the project in 2008. The main tunnel of the Exploratory Studies Facility is U-shaped, 5 miles (8 km) long and 25 feet (8 m) wide. There are also several cathedral-like alcoves that branch from the main tunnel. It is in these alcoves that most of the scientific experiments are conducted. The emplacement drifts (smaller diameter tunnels branching off the main tunnel) where waste will be stored have not been constructed since they require a construction authorization by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission per 10CFR 63.

Despite political characterization of the facility as a mere dump, the project is also analyzing and designing a retrievable repository of spent nuclear fuel (SNF) since the SNF is very valuable as a potential future national energy resource. The repository zone will cover 1,150 acres (470 ha), be 1,000 feet (300 m) below the surface of the mountain and 1,000 feet (300 m) above the water table. The waste will be encased in a multilayer stainless steel and nickel alloy package covered by titanium drip shields that function also as rock shields. It is being specifically designed to allow retrieval of the SNF for up to 300 years after placement.

As of 2008, nine billion US dollars had been spent on the project[7] which has made Yucca Mountain the most studied piece of geology in the world. The Department of Energy (DOE) estimates that it has over 100 million U.S. gallons of highly radioactive waste and 2,500 metric tons (2,800 short tons) of spent fuel from the production of nuclear weapons and from research activities in temporary storage.[8] The cost of the facility is being paid for by a tax on each kilowatt hour of nuclear power and by the federal government for disposal of weapons and Naval nuclear waste. Based on the 2001 cost estimate, approximately 73% is funded from consumers of nuclear powered electricity and 27% by the federal government. [9]

In 1998 and 2000, independent cost and schedule reviews of the program were performed by DOE contractors. On the latter review, the contractor concluded that DOE’s schedule for licensing, constructing, and opening the repository by 2010 was optimistic by about two years and that DOE’s estimate of the total cost of the program over its 100-plus-year lifetime — $58 billion (2000 dollars) — was understated by about $3 billion.[10]

The tunnel boring machine (TBM) that excavated the main tunnel cost $13 million and was 400 feet (125 m) in length when in operation. It now sits at its exit point at the South Portal (south entrance) of the facility. The short side tunnel alcoves were excavated using explosives.

the makeout hobo · 04-02-08, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by partier9

How about here:
Yucca Mountain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

that's all good and well, but if we start using nuclear power for all our needs, that's a lot of Yuccas to worry about.

partier9 · 04-02-08, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by the makeout hobo

that's all good and well, but if we start using nuclear power for all our needs, that's a lot of Yuccas to worry about.

Its cleaner than oil, oh and cheap, and pretty safe.

RightinNYC · 04-02-08, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the makeout hobo

that's all good and well, but if we start using nuclear power for all our needs, that's a lot of Yuccas to worry about.

No, it's not at all.

In response to your earlier question on the same topic:

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Reprocess it, take out all the reusable elements, and then treat the leftovers before putting it in long term storage. France powers 80% of their country using nuclear power and they manage just fine.

France’s Radioactive Waste Management Program - Fact Sheet
FRONTLINE: nuclear reaction: Why the French Like Nuclear Energy

Nuclear waste is an absolutely minuscule problem.

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The volume of the ultimate high-level waste was indeed very small: the contribution of a family of four using electricity for 20 years is a glass cylinder the size of a cigarette lighter.

Compare that to the amount of pollution produced by traditional coal and gas measures, and it's not even a contest.

Let's assume that lighter is approximately 4 cubic inches (generous). That's one cubic inch of waste per person over a 20 year period. If we've got 300m people in the US, that's 300,000,000 cubic inches, which is equal to 6,430 cubic yards.

Put most simply, that means that a hole that was 18 yards by 18 yards by 18 yards could hold all the waste that would be produced in powering the entire US for the next 20 years.

Middleground · 04-02-08, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Wow that was trollish. I posted you a link where Bush talks about global warming and ask you what you think

From 2001. You didn't even bother to read it, so why should I?

When you made accusations about Gore, both Hobo and I delivered. When you were asked to prove your claim, you posted nonesense that you didn't even care to read.

Sigh.

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You respond with this nonsense challenging my "adultness"?

It's not nonsense. More like fact.

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If you don't want to discuss the topic with people who disagree why start the thread? Geeze.

Is it possible that someone can contort things as much as the above statement? That's about as distorted as it gets, I think.