Gore begins huge public campaign to go green - Page 3

MC.no.spin · 03-31-08, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Middleground

Ah, well there you go, now you've convinced me!

C'mon, more useless rantings.

Tell me, what is your big issue with people who decide to donate their money because they feel that it's a justified cause?

Now tell me, Spin, how do you feel about the corporations who have basically polluted the air that you breathe since probably you were born? Do you feel that they are justified? Do you feel they have that right?

You call my posts rantings, then put up strawmen in it's place.

If people want to donate money towards ethical organizations that ARE developing/using alternative sources of energy, cleaning up the environment, etc. then three cheers for that - that's great.

RightinNYC · 03-31-08, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the makeout hobo

Where do you put all the waste?

Reprocess it, take out all the reusable elements, and then treat the leftovers before putting it in long term storage. France powers 80% of their country using nuclear power and they manage just fine.

France’s Radioactive Waste Management Program - Fact Sheet
FRONTLINE: nuclear reaction: Why the French Like Nuclear Energy

Nuclear waste is an absolutely minuscule problem.

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The volume of the ultimate high-level waste was indeed very small: the contribution of a family of four using electricity for 20 years is a glass cylinder the size of a cigarette lighter.

Compare that to the amount of pollution produced by traditional coal and gas measures, and it's not even a contest.

RightinNYC · 03-31-08, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

Nuke energy is old hat....and it takes on average 7-15 yrs to build a plant, then constant fueling and repair, then you get to deal with the waste product.

This is our future....or at least a small part of it:

Huge Solar Plants Bloom in Desert

Just try to imagine how many US jobs this has created. Then think of the Oil we wont have to buy, the coal we don't have to burn, and the Pollution we never need to deal with.

Seems a No-Brainer to me. It is estimated a 100x100 sq. mile could generate enough electricity to power the western United States.
And more and more states are realizing the potential here:

http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/25/...izona-in-2011/

Solar power is horribly inefficient. Do you realize how big "100X100 sq. mile" is? That's 10,000 square miles. Thats four times as large as Delaware.

I don't know what the current pricing per square foot is for solar panels, but thats 2,787,840,000,000 square feet that would need to be covered.

RightinNYC · 03-31-08, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Middleground

Ah, well there you go, now you've convinced me!

C'mon, more useless rantings.

Tell me, what is your big issue with people who decide to donate their money because they feel that it's a justified cause?

People can donate their money to whatever they want, and I can laugh at them for it.

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Now tell me, Spin, how do you feel about the corporations who have basically polluted the air that you breathe since probably you were born? Do you feel that they are justified? Do you feel they have that right?

You mean those same corporations that have allowed humanity to emerge from the dark ages? Those same corporations without whom most of us wouldn't exist? I'm thankful every day for the world we live in. Aren't you?

the makeout hobo · 04-01-08, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

People can donate their money to whatever they want, and I can laugh at them for it.

You mean those same corporations that have allowed humanity to emerge from the dark ages? Those same corporations without whom most of us wouldn't exist? I'm thankful every day for the world we live in. Aren't you?

I'm sorry, but how would I not exist if it were not for Exxon?

RightinNYC · 04-01-08, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by the makeout hobo

I'm sorry, but how would I not exist if it were not for Exxon?

Obviously no individual company is on its own responsible for our existence. My point is that it's foolish to make arguments in the macroscopic sense about the "corporations that are polluting our air" as if these weren't the exact same companies that have so incredibly influenced our lives. From combustion engines to air conditioners to research facilities, we're in the position we're in because of the "corporations that are polluting our air."

If I could choose between having those corporations "polluting" my air since I was born and not having had them at all, I'd stick with what we've got.

the makeout hobo · 04-01-08, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

Obviously no individual company is on its own responsible for our existence. My point is that it's foolish to make arguments in the macroscopic sense about the "corporations that are polluting our air" as if these weren't the exact same companies that have so incredibly influenced our lives. From combustion engines to air conditioners to research facilities, we're in the position we're in because of the "corporations that are polluting our air."

If I could choose between having those corporations "polluting" my air since I was born and not having had them at all, I'd stick with what we've got.

I'm still waiting to hear how I wouldn't actually be here. I can understand that life wouldn't be as plush, that's not what I'm talking about.

RightinNYC · 04-02-08, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by the makeout hobo

I'm still waiting to hear how I wouldn't actually be here. I can understand that life wouldn't be as plush, that's not what I'm talking about.

Because if it were not for the railroads, the cars, etc. America never would have developed the way it did. We would not have been able to support a country this large, and it's incredibly unlikely there would be even 1/50th as many people on this continent today. For me, I wouldn't be here because my grandfather would have died of polio. I'd wager that for most people, there is some situation in their past that has made their life possible thanks to a corporation.