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Gore begins huge public campaign to go green

the makeout hobo said:
I'm sorry, but how would I not exist if it were not for Exxon?
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Obviously no individual company is on its own responsible for our existence. My point is that it's foolish to make arguments in the macroscopic sense about the "corporations that are polluting our air" as if these weren't the exact same companies that have so incredibly influenced our lives. From combustion engines to air conditioners to research facilities, we're in the position we're in because of the "corporations that are polluting our air."

If I could choose between having those corporations "polluting" my air since I was born and not having had them at all, I'd stick with what we've got.
 
RightinNYC said:
Obviously no individual company is on its own responsible for our existence. My point is that it's foolish to make arguments in the macroscopic sense about the "corporations that are polluting our air" as if these weren't the exact same companies that have so incredibly influenced our lives. From combustion engines to air conditioners to research facilities, we're in the position we're in because of the "corporations that are polluting our air."

If I could choose between having those corporations "polluting" my air since I was born and not having had them at all, I'd stick with what we've got.
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I'm still waiting to hear how I wouldn't actually be here. I can understand that life wouldn't be as plush, that's not what I'm talking about.
 
the makeout hobo said:
I'm still waiting to hear how I wouldn't actually be here. I can understand that life wouldn't be as plush, that's not what I'm talking about.
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Because if it were not for the railroads, the cars, etc. America never would have developed the way it did. We would not have been able to support a country this large, and it's incredibly unlikely there would be even 1/50th as many people on this continent today. For me, I wouldn't be here because my grandfather would have died of polio. I'd wager that for most people, there is some situation in their past that has made their life possible thanks to a corporation.
 
Yeah but did gore sell his Tennessee mansion and give up his private jets? :roll:
 
Middleground said:
Why would he have to sell his mansion?
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"The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) a year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh-more than 20 times the national average," the Tennessee Center for Policy Research said in a news release.


Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh -- consuming more than twice as much electricity in one month as the average American family uses in an entire year. Gore's average monthly electric bill topped $1,359, the research group said.

Likewise, the natural gas bills for Gore's mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 a month last year."



Al Gore's Mansion Described As Energy Hog -- 02/27/2007



Why indeed..... :roll:
 
So why not try to find/fund/encourage cleaner sources of energy for his mansion?

Oh wait that is what he is doing.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
"The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) a year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh-more than 20 times the national average," the Tennessee Center for Policy Research said in a news release.


Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh -- consuming more than twice as much electricity in one month as the average American family uses in an entire year. Gore's average monthly electric bill topped $1,359, the research group said.

Likewise, the natural gas bills for Gore's mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 a month last year."



Al Gore's Mansion Described As Energy Hog -- 02/27/2007



Why indeed..... :roll:
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Oh, jeepers. I'm speechless on how people can be so focussed on anything but the facts.

FYI, Gore's house is now completely off of the grid. He's now working on doing the same for his parent's farm.

So again I ask, why should he sell his mansion?
 
Middleground said:
Oh, jeepers. I'm speechless on how people can be so focussed on anything but the facts.

FYI, Gore's house is now completely off of the grid. He's now working on doing the same for his parent's farm.

So again I ask, why should he sell his mansion?
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Are you making that up? I can't seem to google that.


Now Bush's ranch is "off the grid" and highly environmentally "Green"....
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Are you making that up? I can't seem to google that.


Now Bush's ranch is "off the grid" and highly environmentally "Green"....
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They bought an 18-room mansion in Nashville. After they moved in, they were criticized because the house "Mr. Global Warming" lived in used 20 times more energy than the average American household. Since then, they have retrofitted everything, including installing 33 solar panels on the roof.

He’s also making his parents' farm eco-friendly, by installing windmills to generate electricity, with plans to turn it into a training center for people from all over the world.

Al Gore's New Campaign, Tells 60 Minutes That Doubting Global Warming Is Man-Made Is Akin To Believing Earth Is Flat - CBS News

As for Bush, it's obvious that he does not believe in man-made global warming.

Why did he do that? To save the planet, to save money or something else?
 
Middleground said:
They bought an 18-room mansion in Nashville. After they moved in, they were criticized because the house "Mr. Global Warming" lived in used 20 times more energy than the average American household. Since then, they have retrofitted everything, including installing 33 solar panels on the roof.

He’s also making his parents' farm eco-friendly, by installing windmills to generate electricity, with plans to turn it into a training center for people from all over the world.

Al Gore's New Campaign, Tells 60 Minutes That Doubting Global Warming Is Man-Made Is Akin To Believing Earth Is Flat - CBS News

As for Bush, it's obvious that he does not believe in man-made global warming.

Why did he do that? To save the planet, to save money or something else?
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So 33 solar panels means he is "off the grid"? In that house? :lol:


I think you exageratted your claim. and you bash bush but Gore did not do anything until he was outed for the fraud he is.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So 33 solar panels means he is "off the grid"? In that house? :lol:


I think you exageratted your claim. and you bash bush but Gore did not do anything until he was outed for the fraud he is.
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Green light for Gore to install solar panels at home
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Former vice-president Al Gore's upscale neighbourhood has granted the environmental activist approval to install 33 solar panels on the roof of his mansion.

Belle Meade had blocked his application until new rules were approved unanimously late yesterday, Gore spokesman Chris Song said.

The city, located within metropolitan Nashville, said the panels must be placed in areas where they can't be seen by neighbours.

Gore, who starred in the documentary film An Inconvenient Truth about global warming, already buys enough energy from renewable energy sources such as solar, wind and methane gas to balance 100 per cent of his electricity costs.

He is also upgrading the furnace, windows, and light switches, as well as installing new floor radiant heat and solar vents, to improve the home's energy standards, said Kalee Kreider, a Gore spokeswoman.

The home bought by Gore in 2002 is more than 70 years old and illustrates the challenges of renovating an older home to conserve more energy, Kreider said.

"It's obviously easier to build a green home from the get-go," she said. "When you purchase an older home, these retrofits take lot longer."



Green light for Gore to install solar panels at home - Environment - smh.com.au

Please tell me, Hellhound, how did I bash Bush?
 
Still sounds like he is "on the grid' just not hemoraging like he once did. And I'd love to see what the tennesee power is stating he is using.


Plus he did it because he was caught, not because of his care for the environment.


Add that to the costs to do such things, keeps the rest of us unable to no?



And about that corporate jet?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Still sounds like he is "on the grid' just not hemoraging like he once did. And I'd love to see what the tennesee power is stating he is using.


Plus he did it because he was caught, not because of his care for the environment.


Add that to the costs to do such things, keeps the rest of us unable to no?



And about that corporate jet?
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How do you know why he did something. Do you have amazing mind reading powers you need to share with us?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Yeah a blog is a more reliable source than the tennesee power authority. :roll:
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This is more recent than TPA. Are you denying the fact that Gore's mansion is now LEED certified? Are you disputing the fact, or you just trying to use a red herring?
 
the makeout hobo said:
This is more recent than TPA. Are you denying the fact that Gore's mansion is now LEED certified? Are you disputing the fact, or you just trying to use a red herring?
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Are you pretending I did not post #44?


And what I am denying is that blogs silly complaint that people lied about gores house using more power than the average home. The power company confirmed it.


And why no talk about his private jet?
 
Are you avoiding my question?

I asked how did I bash Bush?
 
Middleground said:
Are you avoiding my question?

I asked how did I bash Bush?
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As for Bush, it's obvious that he does not believe in man-made global warming.

Why did he do that? To save the planet, to save money or something else?
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Grantes it was more of a question, but this tactic of yours is an attempt to distract from the hypocrisy of Al Gore.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Are you pretending I did not post #44?


And what I am denying is that blogs silly complaint that people lied about gores house using more power than the average home. The power company confirmed it.


And why no talk about his private jet?
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Here's a link from a paper, is that acceptable?

Ad hits Gore's green lifestyle - - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

You're missing the point. The TPA statistic you mentioned was from some time ago. Since then, Gore has been working on greenifying his house, and now it is one of the only 14 LEED Certified buildings in the country. He has since made his house ridiculously eco-friendly. What part of this do you not grok?
 
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