Gore begins huge public campaign to go green - Page 2

Arcana XV · 03-31-08, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

There is waste? Really? How much? Oh yes, NONE.

Wow.

Google is your friend.

Try "nuclear waste" for starters.

tecoyah · 03-31-08, 11:21 AM

Nuke energy is old hat....and it takes on average 7-15 yrs to build a plant, then constant fueling and repair, then you get to deal with the waste product.

This is our future....or at least a small part of it:

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The barren deserts of Southern California are known for relentless sunshine and miles of empty space -- the perfect combination for the world's most ambitious solar-energy projects.

Two Southern California utility companies are planning to develop a pair of sun-powered power plants that they claim will dwarf existing solar facilities and could rival fossil-fuel-driven power plants.

Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas & Electric are working with Stirling Energy Systems, a Phoenix startup that has paired a large and efficient solar dish with a 200-year-old Stirling engine design.

Stirling Energy Systems is planning to build two separate solar farms, one with the capacity to generate 500 megawatts of electricity in the Mojave Desert near Victorville, California, for SoCal Edison, and a 300-megawatt plant in the Imperial Valley, near Calexico, California, for SDG&E. The utilities have signed 20-year deals to buy all the juice the farms can turn out, and have options to expand the plants if they are successful.

"Without question, this will be the largest solar project in the world," said Gil Alexander, a spokesman for SoCal Edison. "It will be bigger than all U.S. solar-energy projects combined."

Huge Solar Plants Bloom in Desert

Just try to imagine how many US jobs this has created. Then think of the Oil we wont have to buy, the coal we don't have to burn, and the Pollution we never need to deal with.

Seems a No-Brainer to me. It is estimated a 100x100 sq. mile could generate enough electricity to power the western United States.
And more and more states are realizing the potential here:

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The lucky sunny state of Arizona is about to become home to the world’s largest Solar Plant! Thanks to a just-announced contract between Abengoa Solar and Arizona Public Service Company (APS), the enormous solar plant called Solana will power up to 70,000 homes, and will be the first example in the country of a major utility getting the majority of its energy from solar. The 1900 acre plant will be completed by 2011

http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/25/...izona-in-2011/

MC.no.spin · 03-31-08, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Middleground

I saw Al on 60 Minutes last night. He's donated all the money he's raised from his film and Nobel Peace Prize to this campaign. Love him or hate him, he's passionate about the planet and it's beyond me how one can fault him for that.

His passion is not altruistic in nature. It is a nice con spin job he has put on here by "donating profits from the film and Peace Prize" to this campaign. The truth is, Gore is the chairman of "Generation Investment Management", a company that stands to benefit heavily from this promotion of global warming. They are the middle men for the carbon offset scam which takes money from guilt conscienced individuals and groups and invests only a portion of that in global warming concious companies while pocketing the rest.

Newsweek has also reported another inconvenient truth that the climate protection from these organizations was happening without these offsets and so are meaningless.

Gore is a con man.

Media Ignore Al Goreâ€™s Financial Ties to Global Warming | NewsBusters.org

Another Inconvenient Truth

Middleground · 03-31-08, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MC.no.spin

His passion is not altruistic in nature. It is a nice con spin job he has put on here by "donating profits from the film and Peace Prize" to this campaign. The truth is, Gore is the chairman of "Generation Investment Management", a company that stands to benefit heavily from this promotion of global warming. They are the middle men for the carbon offset scam which takes money from guilt conscienced individuals and groups and invests only a portion of that in global warming concious companies while pocketing the rest.

Newsweek has also reported another inconvenient truth that the climate protection from these organizations was happening without these offsets and so are meaningless.

Gore is a con man.

Media Ignore Al Goreâ€™s Financial Ties to Global Warming | NewsBusters.org

Another Inconvenient Truth

Even if what you posted proved to be substantiated and true, since when is a conservative against capitalism? Why do you--a conservative--have a problem with Gore "making money by conducting business?"

Middleground · 03-31-08, 12:44 PM

Great stuff, tecoyah. I ,too, believe that solar is the way to go.

MC.no.spin · 03-31-08, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Middleground

Even if what you posted proved to be substantiated and true, since when is a conservative against capitalism? Why do you--a conservative--have a problem with Gore "making money by conducting business?"

Gore's business is corrupt. Ethical business is one thing, this is another. I have a problem with that.

I have a problem with the caps put on businesses that are struggling to keep up with China, India and other countries, who don't have such regulations (let alone minimum wage laws). Our economy is sinking and many companies are having to survive with one hand tied behind their back.

Add to that how controversial global warming cause's are, and yet the advocates won't even admit of controverting evidence, who say "this is good for new business, this is good in so many ways, let's not worry about that".

I am for nuclear energy, alternative sources of energy, energy conservation, etc. but U.S.A. only regulations on business and this "carbon offset" b.s. is a scam.

Middleground · 03-31-08, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MC.no.spin

Gore's business is corrupt. Ethical business is one thing, this is another. I have a problem with that.

I have a problem with the caps put on businesses that are struggling to keep up with China, India and other countries, who don't have such regulations (let alone minimum wage laws). Our economy is sinking and many companies are having to survive with one hand tied behind their back.

Add to that how controversial global warming cause's are, and yet the advocates won't even admit of controverting evidence, who say "this is good for new business, this is good in so many ways, let's not worry about that".

I am for nuclear energy, alternative sources of energy, energy conservation, etc. but U.S.A. only regulations on business and this "carbon offset" b.s. is a scam.

All I see is a lot of ranting. Nothing you have written has swayed my opinion one iota.

MC.no.spin · 03-31-08, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Middleground

All I see is a lot of ranting. Nothing you have written has swayed my opinion one iota.

I'm not surprised. This whole global warming campaign is right up your alley. It's sole purpose really is to convince people to turn over their liberty to big government and let government control business (ie. eradicate capitalism and bring in socialism).

It also keys on people's desire to have some meaning in their life. Now they can feel good about how they aren't leaving a "carbon footprint" and are getting the word out with their t-shirts and bumper stickers.

the makeout hobo · 03-31-08, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MC.no.spin

I'm not surprised. This whole global warming campaign is right up your alley. It's sole purpose really is to convince people to turn over their liberty to big government and let government control business (ie. eradicate capitalism and bring in socialism).

Shouldn't this belong in the conspiracy thread?

Middleground · 03-31-08, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MC.no.spin

I'm not surprised. This whole global warming campaign is right up your alley. It's sole purpose really is to convince people to turn over their liberty to big government and let government control business (ie. eradicate capitalism and bring in socialism).

It also keys on people's desire to have some meaning in their life. Now they can feel good about how they aren't leaving a "carbon footprint" and are getting the word out with their t-shirts and bumper stickers.

Ah, well there you go, now you've convinced me!

C'mon, more useless rantings.

Tell me, what is your big issue with people who decide to donate their money because they feel that it's a justified cause?

Now tell me, Spin, how do you feel about the corporations who have basically polluted the air that you breathe since probably you were born? Do you feel that they are justified? Do you feel they have that right?