Expelled! - Page 18

Hymns · 04-26-08, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Voidwar

Ah, so then you are just ignorant of the claims the Noah myth makes.

All the animals , two by two, and the whole world flooded.

Thank you for completely ignoring my post that says that, IMO, THE CLAIMS ARE EXAGERATED. How is that being ignorant?

Hymns · 04-26-08, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephus

That only works if you don't take what the Bible says literally. The Bible specifically refers to a WORLDWIDE flood. Certainly there are plenty of local floods in the Middle East, including a large one around Ur which was likely a cause behind the Babylonian flood myth, but there has absolutely, positively, never been a worldwide flood.

So that either leaves you in the uncomfortable position of reinterpreting the Bible to fit with observations, or rejecting observations in favor of demanding your book must be true.

While, first of all, the people who wrote the story didn't have contacts worldwide, so by saying "worldwide flood", they are probably referring to their own area, aka their world. And this story has existed for thousands of years, so chances are it has been exagerated, but to what degree there is no way of knowing.

Voidwar · 04-26-08, 05:36 PM

Well, since they were limited contact provincials, who didn't know 5hit, mebbe they were wrong about this God thing too

Hymns · 04-26-08, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Voidwar

Well, since they were limited contact provincials, who didn't know 5hit, mebbe they were wrong about this God thing too

I know, i mean, since they didn't have a reliable method of correspondence to the Eskimos they must be complete idiots.

rathi · 04-26-08, 09:11 PM

Noah's Arc is a story that cannot be correct. No worldwide flood occurred, and its not possible to even fit a small fraction of the species of land animals onto one boat, even if you could gather them all into one place. The real point to made is this: if they were wrong about the worldwide flood and wrong about putting all the animals on the boat, why should we believe that they were right about god?

Cephus · 04-26-08, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hymns

While, first of all, the people who wrote the story didn't have contacts worldwide, so by saying "worldwide flood", they are probably referring to their own area, aka their world. And this story has existed for thousands of years, so chances are it has been exagerated, but to what degree there is no way of knowing.

So in other words, the Bible wasn't inspired by God and is just... wrong.

Thanks for admitting it.

tecoyah · 04-27-08, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rathi

Noah's Arc is a story that cannot be correct. No worldwide flood occurred, and its not possible to even fit a small fraction of the species of land animals onto one boat, even if you could gather them all into one place. The real point to made is this: if they were wrong about the worldwide flood and wrong about putting all the animals on the boat, why should we believe that they were right about god?

I honestly have no problem with the Christian Religion, everyone is free to believe whatever they wish to. I will admit however, that when I run into those that try to tell me these stories are truth, I lose enough respect for them to no longer expend energy in conversation, as experience has generally shown them to be closed off to the reality I live in.
Problems arise when they continue to engage me in a conversation I have attempted to leave, and at that point I switch to gaming vs. debate...partly because its usually quite fun to play with them, and partly because they deserve to be exposed as fools for pushing a fable on the scientifically minded.

Lachean · 04-28-08, 10:58 AM

Update: New "Why do people laugh at Creationists" goes over a Ben Stein interview for Expelled, where he actually states that:

"Love of god leads you to a very glorious place, science leads you to killing people."

YouTube - Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 24)