Voluntary

Pantheism is untestable. It is wishful thinking.

talloulou

I don't think virtually all are Christians.

In general I've found most people don't think about or care much what the term Intelligent Design means or could mean.

Most of the people I've met also don't know what panspermia is. It's not intelligent design. As far as most Christians rejecting it I don't think that's true because most, that I know, don't even know what it is. I find it hard to believe that most Christians would outright reject panspermia. Most of the Christians I know, and I know lots, aren't people who take Genesis literally. I've only lived on the coasts though and you don't tend to get a whole lot of fundamentalist types in the places I've lived. Most Christians I know aren't nearly as closed minded as you'd think. Many of them are perfectly willing to bend and amend their religious views in order to appreciate both the science of Darwin and the idea of a God.

When it comes to in depth conversations on panspermia and Intelligent design I find that mostly only nerdy sci fi types are interested.

Perhaps it's just the types of people I know, but that's been my experience. I think it's only the really religious types who sort of push creationism or some brand of intelligent design in regards to schools so that's who you tend to hear about, media wise.

But, no virtually all people who believe in Intelligent Design are not Christians. A great deal of them are more the "alien" variety.

Not sure if that's better or worse in the eyes of many....

bwahahaha

talloulou

The Catholic Church is anti-intelligent design. It's too open, too wide, and has the possibility of belittling their God I guess. I don't know. I just know they tend to not embrace it. Not the Catholics, mind you, but the Vatican.

obvious Child

As are all religious beliefs. But if a Pantheism cannot accept Intelligent Design, then the argument of it not being Christian backed is really suspect.

Voluntary

All christians believe in ID.

obvious Child

I haven't met one who isn't.

Generally that is what I find as well.

It is somewhat related to aliens though.

Perhaps on the Coasts. In the rust belt and deep south, I don't think your belief holds true though.

And only the incredibly nerdy ones. I know what the term means. But after that my interests stops.

Of course. In fact some of my moderate protestant friends are more anti-ID/literal genesis then I am.

I don't know if I agree with that, especially given who the high profile people are and how ID is being funded.

I think talkorigins.org went through the Discovery Insitute's roster. Not a single non-Christian.

talloulou

I just don't view scientists looking for evidence of intelligent design any differently then I'd view scientists looking for signs of life on other planets. There's not lots of convincing evidence for either but there's enough unknown to lend merit to such searches.

There's value in being open minded. You don't want to mock and disrespect an institute like SETI for sending signals out into the universe the same way you might readily mock a person claiming to have been abducted last night. Without any evidence it's reasonable to question the sanity of the guy who said he was abducted. It's unreasonable, illogical, and close-minded to suggest the signals sent out to space are equally mock worthy.

The same can be said when discussing our origins. Adam and Eve and the Garden are somewhat mock worthy. But closing your mind off to any sort of intelligent design possibilities is premature and I can't see the benefit in it.

Voidwar

Bull. How was the design implemented ? ? ?

Via Magic, not physical assembly, hence a spellcaster is innate to the idea.

Voidwar

Further, references to panspermia are not relevant here, as they do not explain anything. Saying life came here from space does not address the question of how that life started in the first place. It simply adds a layer of confusion to the onion.

Hymns

Not neccessarily: Picture a bunch of Legos lying on the ground. Then somebody comes and puts them together, following the instructions, and makes a model. This model was designed inteligently. ID doesn't assert that all of a sudden *poof* there is life. God could have assembled it molecule by molecule, cell by cell, until complex life was created.

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