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Wausau Daily Herald - New information: Friends of family made 911 call to police

Ok this is a recent story from my neck of the woods.

Basically, this young girl had undiagnosed diabetes and the family's religious beliefs were that all healing comes from god, thus it went untreated.

The reason I put this in the seperation of church and state, and not religion and philosophy, is because rather than get into a discussion about the religion of the parents, I wanted to know how people felt about the idea of the states role in this. Should the parents be prosecuted for the death of their daughter? Does prosecution cross the line of the seperation of church and state?

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Panache

Sounds like criminal negligence to me.

Rev.

This certainly is not an easy issue.

This isn't a religious issue per se, but an issue of parent's rights. Do parents have the right to raise their children in the way they see fit?

Ultimately, in this country anyway, the answer is no. Anyone who cares to make a judgement on how I raise my children, and disagrees, simply has to accuse me of abuse. And simply on the basis of SUSPICION, I lose my kids.

And EVERYTHING is abuse. Quick! Call DHS!! I was seen taking my kids to McDonalds!...Oh dear! My kid is neglected!...he didn't wear his mittens to school today!

I certainly don't LIKE that a child died because her parents refused to seek medical care. But I also would not like to be forced to flee the country in order to save my terminally ill child from court-ordered treatments that in the end would NOT save his life. And I don't think it's right that a woman I know had her nursing 3-week old baby taken for a MONTH because she refused the newborn blood screening (for religious reasons).

Every parent makes bad decisions that SOMETIMES lead to irrepairable harm. And undoubtedly, I will make choices for my children that you won't like...but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to parent them for me.

These parents say they didn't know their child would die. Add them to the list of parents who run over their kid with their SUV because they didn't think to check where their child was when they started backing up. Or the list of parents whose children die from eating the cigarette butts they left laying around. It was a choice with unintended consequences. Sad. But we shouldn't react by taking away EVERY parents right to make a choice...whether for religious reasons or any other.

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rathi

This has nothing to do with religion or the church. They failed to give their child the medical care needed, and it may have been negligent enough to be criminal. The law is universal to every American of every faith.

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RightOfCenter

This seems like the makings of a strawman to me. Parents should be able to decide on how to raise their children, but when your child dies because you failed to provide adequate treatment you should have your children taken away. No one threatening to take your children away because you took them to McDonald's. Also, I can't recall a case where children were taken into government custody on the suspicion of abuse. Children are only taken away if solid evidence is available. If you have a link I would like to see it.

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tecoyah

Well....they certainly had THIS child taken away. Unfortunately, she was taken by the very GOD they were counting on to save her.

In a Legal framework...this is rather cut and dry. Thus, until we can manage to separate the religion from the law...it's very messy.

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1069

I disagree this characterization of DHS as comprised of monsters out to steal children from adequate homes.
DHS exists to protect children, period.
They don't want your children, particularly; they've no place to put them.
They haven't even the resources to remove children who truly do suffer from legitimate abuse and neglect; in most cases, they make some effort to improve the situation of such children by compelling the parents to attend parenting or anger management classes, or substance abuse support groups.
I had to restrain myself from saying "token effort".

While their desire to help children and families is sincere, their resources are severely limited, and already stretched to breaking by abandoned children and children of incarcerated parents.
They have no desire, no desire at all, to take children away from parents who show any motivation whatsoever to keep them.
In my state, out of every 100 incidents of abuse reported to Child Protective Services, over 85% are investigated and dismissed.
In the remaining 15% of cases, the families are found to be "in need of services", such as housing, welfare, parenting classes, treatment for addiction, etc, and are put in contact with the appropriate agencies.
I wouldn't even want to try to estimate the number of children removed, permanently and against the parents' wishes, by CPS.
One in ten thousand, perhaps?

Do not demonize state social workers; they earn a pittance and work themselves into an early grave doing a stressful and dangerous job that is as unrewarding emotionally as it is financially.
They do it because they genuinely want to help children.
What you are saying is nothing more than an urban legend, and a dangerous one, at that.
I work closely with CPS, and share their goal of improving the lives of children as well as many of their frustrations at the seemingly endless obstacles to doing that.
The danger is abusive parents. The danger is not overzealous CPS workers.
State Child Protective agencies don't have the resources to be much of a threat to anyone, including abusive parents.
Children and their safety are not a very high priority in our country; if they were, we'd devote more state and federal funds to the agencies which oversee such matters.

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mikhail

Well its disgusting enough that jews feel the need to cut a childs foreskin short i would have that banned for a start.The point is no religion should get exception from the law they just cant practise things which are child abuse under law or anything that is illegal under law.

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1069

I can tell you're a foreigner. British?
Here in America, everybody cuts their child's foreskin off.
It's the Murkin way.
Good, hygienic, God-fearing salt-of-the-earth Christian patriots mutilate their infants' weenies for the love of Jesus and Country... and look down on dirty, depraved, and degenerate Europeans like you.

It's got nothing to do with being Jewish. They probably don't even realize that it's a jew thang, or was, originally.