When faith healing fails....... - Page 5

Hatuey · 03-28-08, 02:31 PM

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Actually, I play EQ2 now since it's part of my job.

Anywho... so, lemme see here. It's okay to cut off part of a baby's penis because they might get a little infection under the foreskin if the parents don't bother to clean him well enough.

What else could we cut off of a child's body to help prevent possible infections? Oh wait! Let's just take the tonsils and appendix out at birth, they *could* get infected. Anything else we could just whack off for the sake of "just in case"? I mean, it's just like getting a shot.

You know, if you castrated the boys, it would decrease their chances of getting STDs astronomically!

So wait let me get this straight. You ask for a LOGICAL reason to remove a boy's foreskin & birth, I give you one and you're still complaining that it's not reasonable enough even though all medical data points to the contrary? I'm no doctor but I'm guessing we don't give kids appendix/tonsil removals because the mouth and opening a 5 inch wound on a baby would have severely higher chances of being infected.

Lachean · 03-28-08, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

Actually, I play EQ2 now since it's part of my job.

Jealousy rising....

rivrrat · 03-28-08, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lachean

Jealousy rising....

Yeah, it sucks. you know what I have to do today at work? Run around and get some items and coin on a few characters for testing.

It's a tough job...

(okay, that's the fun part of all the crap I have to do today... after all the boardroom meetings, etc.)

Panache · 03-28-08, 03:10 PM

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When did I say anything so foolish?

I said "thinking," and when I said that I was referring to conscious thoughts, not "involuntary neurological function."

Just because your brain controls something does not mean that you (your consciousness) can, some things are outside your will.

So you don't believe that conscious thought can have an effect on the subconsious?

It seems to me that if your brain is controlling your immunodefenses, you can increase how effective your immune system is by the same mechanism that you can decrease it.

Mach · 03-28-08, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

Should the parents be prosecuted for the death of their daughter?

Yes, of course.

There is no reasonable argument to the contrary. Laws ignore religion, because laws and religion are separated (and should be).

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I dream up a new dumb religion:
Religion of the XYZ

Religion of the XYZ states that I can kill people if they make the sign of the cross.

Therefore, I cannot be prosecuted under murder laws because of my religion.
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Now, if you want to let people kill other people, including their children, that's fine. But once you establish that allowing the death of someone through negligence (does not care if you are ignorant), the reasons are irrelevant.

That child had rights that extend beyond her parents dumbass religious insanity. Shame on them.

-Mach

jallman · 03-28-08, 03:23 PM

I understand the right to worship privately and according to one's own beliefs. I also understand that parents have a right to raise their children according to their own traditions. However, when those traditions have dangerous consequences as in the case of not seeking medical treatment, then yes, the state should step in and enforce that treatment until such a time as the child reaches the age of majority and can legally deny the treatment themselves.

RightOfCenter · 03-28-08, 03:24 PM

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What straw man? I was giving examples of OTHER choices of treatment a parent might persue on behalf of their sick child. Of the examples given (prayer, homeopathy, diet, herbs) why is PRAYER the only alternative treatment you consider wrong?

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But if they were hippies relying on "natural food" for treatment, that would have been okay. Or New Agers relying on homeopathy. Or someone relying on herbs. Those are all "acceptable" alternative treatments, but prayer is not?

If a child had died because someone tried one of those remedies my response would be the same. The way you phrase it makes the point that those treatments would be acceptable. They are not. Strawman.

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Parents make wrong decisions sometimes.

And decisions that result in death because of parental stupidity are criminal negligence.

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The article SPECULATES what symptoms the girl MIGHT have experienced.

Heaven forbid a trained medical professional diagnose the probable symptoms that nearly every person who has died from her condition has, huh? The girl most likely had these symptoms, its not as if its random speculation.

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Furthermore, if the girl HAD been making regular well-child trips to the doctor, at her age she was well between visits (well-child checks are not annual after age 5). IF she was active in sports, she needed an updated physical every TWO years. It is totally possible even if her parents had been diligent about making sure she made every recommended appointment that the diabetes would not have been diagnosed.

If that had been the case the parents most likely would have taken her to the doctor as they had been her whole life and she would have been diagnosed with diabetes and she would still be alive.

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Obviously, the solution is to legally mandate that all parents seek medical intervention for their child as soon as the child gets the sniffles.

Have I or anyone else in the thread suggested this?

RightOfCenter · 03-28-08, 03:26 PM

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Actually, it certainly *can*. It's been proven time and again that the body can heal itself, and that positive thinking can and does facilitate that healing. It's been proven time and again that negative thinking can have detrimental physical affects, while positive attitudes have the opposite. It's been proven time and again that we can think ourselves sick as well as think ourselves well.

So by that logic commercials telling people that they will get cancer from smoking causes lung cancer, yes? If I didn't know that, could I go on smoking happily without fear of cancer?