The End of democracy

lamaror · 08-14-05, 05:07 AM

I was raised in America, I went to school in America, my children grew up in America. I love America. Since I have been around in the world, my country has been part of World War ll. the Korean War, the Vietnamese war, the Gulf War, the Bush War, and we have had troops killed in Grenada, Mozambique, Lebenon, Africa, Dominican Republic, Serbia, along with many other places where our troops were given their duty to do and they did it. American military people are wonderful loyal people.
To our people and to many others, we became a nation of heros. We fought for the right, we fought for people and to help people. We worked for equality among the races, we worked for equality in education, equality under the law, equality in the chance for individuals to go grow and to see their children’s opportunities grow. We grew our own food to feed our nation and to help feed the world. We produced and manufactured every item needed in our society and for others around the world. American workers were proud they were well paid and able to live the American dream.
Corporations made fantastically huge profits even with high wages for workers and benefits for workers. Medical care became something for the everyone to aspire to. In the old days Hospitals and Medical centers were for the wealthy. The common folks went to the venerable family practitioner who charged prices a family could afford.
All over our great nation, minorities worked, received equality and opportunity that they had not had before. Not yet have we managed to give equality to all of our people.
Now in 2005, we are going backward, and we don’t even seem to care. Companies now are not making near as much profit as before.
What seemed to work best was a combination of Capitalism modified and softened by what could be called social democracy. companies made massive profits and so did investors and the workers for these companies made great wages and benefits. Tax money was collected from the rich, the companies ,and the middle class. this money was used to enhance education and opportunity for the poor and to give them a chance at equality. It was working ok. Americans were proud, the rich were getting richer, and American workers were happy and content much of the time. We had black, hispanic and asian judges, black, hispanic and asian teachers, black, hispanic and asian policemen, black, hispanic and asian people in government etc., and in everywalk of life we were on our way to democray and equality.
With time the corporations became international corporations, and American companies became international in nature. they stopped feeling loyalty to America, and began to feel loyalty only to their own growing wealth and power. Power, wealth and Greed are now the driving force in our country. No matter what damage is done to millions of Americans, corporatism has lied, deceived and gained a foothold in to American pride and into the hearts of many Americans. Americans have decided to smile and give away the constitution of USA. The govenment claims that our country is coming out of the downturn in our economy. In fact it is getting worse Our cities and factories are gone. Workers and citizens are being duped and they are giving up America without a fight,, because George Bush lies, and lies and lies and lies, and lies. George Bush has the same goals as corporatism. Privatize everything, exploit workers, and kill anyone who stand in the way. They do these things not because they are terrible, they do these things because giant coporations and world Corporatism cannot take power when there is a democracy.
It was written years before 911,By the Project For The New American Century ( which is right wing think tank for Corporatism.) that what the corporations needed was a Pearl Harbor type incident to deceive, mobilize, and exploit America. They finally got America into the fold with 911. Of course Bush, Cheney, Rumsfelt, Ashcroft and Rice new in advance but probably felt a little betrayed all the loss of life, that probably caught them by surprise. yet they shrugged their shoulders and went on. The war in Irag was planned long before Bush was even president. Did anyone notice that first thing that was fixed, no matter how bad it was for the people of Iraq, was the OIL PIPELINE. HAV E YOU NOTICED THAT LESS THAN THIRTY PERCENT OF THE PROFITS FROM OIL RICH IRAQ WILL BE GOING TO THE NEW GOVERNMENT. THE REST IS GOING TO CORPORATISM. AND CORPORATE POWER.
Look at our gas prices at the pump now. Corporatism and corporate political power.
The goal is and has been Corporatism. corporate control of the military, and the eventual death of the constitution. The End Of the Good Ole USA. What we face are religious wars as we lose freedom of religion, and death squads from the corporations to kill people like me who still love america over Corporate Political Power. Corporatism and civil wars, etc.
Bush is the enemy of America, we are seeing the end of the American Dream.

ban.the.electoral.college · 08-14-05, 07:08 AM

The american dream is many things to many people. Yes, corporate greed is rampant. I've worked for a few corporations. Most recently, I sold personal computers for Dell. Morally, it was a terrible job, because while I was there, more and more and more jobs were being sent over seas. I could see that it was only a matter of time before my job was outsourced as well. So, in protest, I left Dell. I left what was for me, a great paying job because I didn't like where the company was headed. Because of the internet, and telecommunications, there is no need to pay an american worker X amount of dollars when the same job can be done more effectively for less money in another country. I say more effectively, because it seems people in other countries are so starved for a decent job, they'll work harder and longer than the typical american. And that's great that people around the world are gaining access to better paying job's. But, this corporate quest for profit is just out of control. I mean, when is it enough? Never. A corporation just needs and needs and needs. And how does it benefit us, when a corporations sole method of survival depends on profit, how could we ever benefit from their motives? There are a few obvious benefits. But, I wonder if those benefits are really enriching our lives. Or are they merely distracting us from what a truly good life should be? Are new cars and computers really so important? Or should we be thinking harder and smarter, rather than bigger and better?

I think there are a plethora of issues ignored that could make our country so much greater. For example, the inner city. Instead of shying away from the problems like poor education, and innercity crime, why don't we take responsibility for the problems we face as a nation. Education is the answer. You don't see Harvard students committing violent crimes against society, do you? In fact college students in general (excluding, the occasional frat and athlete) are quite peace loving people.

I don't claim to know where our country is headed. All I can say is that since GWB took office, everything has become clearly worse. GWB should be put on trial for the murders of thousands of americans, not to mention iraqis, because they were sentenced to death for the sole interest of profit. And if that's not crime, I don't know what is.

V.I. Lenin · 08-14-05, 10:06 AM

Well said you two. Now, to wait for the uber-patriots to come and bash you.......

sitegod · 08-14-05, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamaror

I was raised in America, I went to school in America, my children grew up in America. I love America. Since I have been around in the world, my country has been part of World War ll. the Korean War, the Vietnamese war, the Gulf War, the Bush War, and we have had troops killed in Grenada, Mozambique, Lebenon, Africa, Dominican Republic, Serbia, along with many other places where our troops were given their duty to do and they did it. American military people are wonderful loyal people.
To our people and to many others, we became a nation of heros. We fought for the right, we fought for people and to help people. We worked for equality among the races, we worked for equality in education, equality under the law, equality in the chance for individuals to go grow and to see their children’s opportunities grow. We grew our own food to feed our nation and to help feed the world. We produced and manufactured every item needed in our society and for others around the world. American workers were proud they were well paid and able to live the American dream.
Corporations made fantastically huge profits even with high wages for workers and benefits for workers. Medical care became something for the everyone to aspire to. In the old days Hospitals and Medical centers were for the wealthy. The common folks went to the venerable family practitioner who charged prices a family could afford.
All over our great nation, minorities worked, received equality and opportunity that they had not had before. Not yet have we managed to give equality to all of our people.
Now in 2005, we are going backward, and we don’t even seem to care. Companies now are not making near as much profit as before.
What seemed to work best was a combination of Capitalism modified and softened by what could be called social democracy. companies made massive profits and so did investors and the workers for these companies made great wages and benefits. Tax money was collected from the rich, the companies ,and the middle class. this money was used to enhance education and opportunity for the poor and to give them a chance at equality. It was working ok. Americans were proud, the rich were getting richer, and American workers were happy and content much of the time. We had black, hispanic and asian judges, black, hispanic and asian teachers, black, hispanic and asian policemen, black, hispanic and asian people in government etc., and in everywalk of life we were on our way to democray and equality.
With time the corporations became international corporations, and American companies became international in nature. they stopped feeling loyalty to America, and began to feel loyalty only to their own growing wealth and power. Power, wealth and Greed are now the driving force in our country. No matter what damage is done to millions of Americans, corporatism has lied, deceived and gained a foothold in to American pride and into the hearts of many Americans. Americans have decided to smile and give away the constitution of USA. The govenment claims that our country is coming out of the downturn in our economy. In fact it is getting worse Our cities and factories are gone. Workers and citizens are being duped and they are giving up America without a fight,, because George Bush lies, and lies and lies and lies, and lies. George Bush has the same goals as corporatism. Privatize everything, exploit workers, and kill anyone who stand in the way. They do these things not because they are terrible, they do these things because giant coporations and world Corporatism cannot take power when there is a democracy.
It was written years before 911,By the Project For The New American Century ( which is right wing think tank for Corporatism.) that what the corporations needed was a Pearl Harbor type incident to deceive, mobilize, and exploit America. They finally got America into the fold with 911. Of course Bush, Cheney, Rumsfelt, Ashcroft and Rice new in advance but probably felt a little betrayed all the loss of life, that probably caught them by surprise. yet they shrugged their shoulders and went on. The war in Irag was planned long before Bush was even president. Did anyone notice that first thing that was fixed, no matter how bad it was for the people of Iraq, was the OIL PIPELINE. HAV E YOU NOTICED THAT LESS THAN THIRTY PERCENT OF THE PROFITS FROM OIL RICH IRAQ WILL BE GOING TO THE NEW GOVERNMENT. THE REST IS GOING TO CORPORATISM. AND CORPORATE POWER.
Look at our gas prices at the pump now. Corporatism and corporate political power.
The goal is and has been Corporatism. corporate control of the military, and the eventual death of the constitution. The End Of the Good Ole USA. What we face are religious wars as we lose freedom of religion, and death squads from the corporations to kill people like me who still love america over Corporate Political Power. Corporatism and civil wars, etc.
Bush is the enemy of America, we are seeing the end of the American Dream.

I have to say... WELL BLOODY SAID!!!

I am not from america, (and proud) and George Bush "champion of liberation" is the enemy of the world. he is the start and middle of terrorism. he is an ELECTED terrorist like Tony Blair. the pair of them are no better than the people they claim to renounce. they truly disgust me.
But as I have recently discovered, Democracy is leased- it is given without reservation at first, and then as time goes on, it is taken away from us ever so slowly, much like a fishing line. we hardly notice the difference until we are on the plate being eaten. Freedom of Religion, so long as it is on the pre-approved list. Freedom of Speech so long as you select from the menu above. Freedom of Assembly, so long as they are pro-government and happy propoganda. 1984 isnt a how to guide. it is a warning. btw, hi, im SITEgOD and I come from the UK- I am very very pro-human rights and freedom no matter what (so I assume I am left wing, stopping short of communism) I am under 18 by 5 years and am so engrossed with politics its unnatural

SKILMATIC · 08-19-05, 12:17 AM

Can I ask you guys a question?

What is a terrorist?

lamaror · 08-19-05, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SKILMATIC

Can I ask you guys a question?

What is a terrorist?

[b] ter•ror•ism

Pronunciation: (ter'u-riz"um), [key]
—n.
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.[/

To the USA Osama and his saudis are terrorists. to Iraq the USA is the terrorist

To the Britts, the IRA was the terrorists.

What I truly don't understand is why we are fighting Irag? Because 20 years down the road they might have nuclear weapons?

Bush and his other unstable psychopathic buddies do control nuclear weapons and they have serious threatened to use them. All Bush and the right wing want are power and wealth no matter who they screw.

ban.the.electoral.college · 08-19-05, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamaror

[b] ter•ror•ism

Pronunciation: (ter'u-riz"um), [key]
—n.
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.[/

To the USA Osama and his saudis are terrorists. to Iraq the USA is the terrorist

To the Britts, the IRA was the terrorists.

What I truly don't understand is why we are fighting Irag? Because 20 years down the road they might have nuclear weapons?

Bush and his other unstable psychopathic buddies do control nuclear weapons and they have serious threatened to use them. All Bush and the right wing want are power and wealth no matter who they screw.

That's true. When a reporter asked Noam Chomsky how to stop terrorism, he said, "It's simple. You just stop participating in terrorist activity" (not a direct quote, but it's to that same effect). What GWB understands (though he would never knowingly come out and say it) is that by ousting Saddam, he is in effect causing great turmoil, which will inevitably create more terrorists. See, when a government has fear in it's sails, it's easy to get the people to comply with whatever it wants. All despots use the same tactic. It's just that in a culture of amnesia, ie. the US, we forget that this has happened before. So, we need to protest this GWB until he is a) impeached and b) put on trial as a self-serving war criminal.

Listen to this expert speak on the subject of GWB (very intelligent, and credible speaker)

http://www.craigbhulet.com/

Nezdragon · 08-19-05, 01:00 PM

Why don't we stop using our emotions and start looking at the facts. First, you blame capitalism for all of life's problems. Although capitalism is prone to corruption and greed, I would LOVE for you to name a system that has been successfully employed in a country that works better than capitalism (I do not want to hear 'should be's and 'in time's. I want to hear something that has been practically applied, not some theory). Some would probably say communism. What communist country has ever been as successful as the US? China? Guess where they get their money from

And there is NO system that is not prone to corruption, because human beings in heart are attracted to power. Seems like democracy is safest to me. If i remember correctly, Bush got re-elected by a majority (51% for Bush versus 49% for kerry, for those who don't understand the math), and so it looks like people must like him.

To say that this is a war for oil is comical. Iraq exports about 1,500,000 barrels of oil a day. A barrel of oil costs $64. Times that by 365 (one year) and we have $35,040,000,000. We are spending over twice that a year on the war. *gasp*. If this is a war for oil, why would we spend more money than we would earn from oil? Why are our gas prices rising instead of falling (it's called summer vacation, this happens at this time every year)? And why would Iraq continue paying us oil if we pulled out, when we need that oil to counterbalance the deficit from the war? Apply the facts to your argument, or there is no point listening.

P.S. If you hate America, why don't you move to say, China?

Youve Got To Be Kidding! · 08-19-05, 09:46 PM

Your the one who hates America why dont you move. I dont hate America, nor do I think he does. I do think he hates you. At least that is what I really hate. I hate the "christian" church, its members and political activists, people who support any of the above and the current administration. Those are things I hate. The poster may to.

Youve Got To Be Kidding! · 08-19-05, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lamaror

[b] ter•ror•ism

Pronunciation: (ter'u-riz"um), [key]
—n.
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.[/

To the USA Osama and his saudis are terrorists. to Iraq the USA is the terrorist

To the Britts, the IRA was the terrorists.

What I truly don't understand is why we are fighting Irag? Because 20 years down the road they might have nuclear weapons?

Bush and his other unstable psychopathic buddies do control nuclear weapons and they have serious threatened to use them. All Bush and the right wing want are power and wealth no matter who they screw.

Chaney is getting a plan of nuclear strike on Iran. The republicans keep saying no draft that is only way I see around it.