new coup for you

Actually thinking about it your ID is probably already compliant. Take your ID out and go down the list of requirements and see how many you meet. It's probably all of them.

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And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

Ikari

So then why are you going to steal a bunch of my money to make this change then? You just admitted that the affects would most likely be minimal at best. It's not Constitutional, the federal government wasn't given the power and anything not given to the federal govenrment is reserved by the States and the People. It gives too much leeway in implementing databasing and tracking abilities into mandated national identification, thus further destroying privacy and search rights. It's gonna cost tons of money, and that means I have to pay for it when this is something that was never even the federal government's business in the first place. It seems to me that the bad well out weighs the good, especially since apparently there isn't much good to come from it in the first place (I would say none at all).

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new coup for you

They do it because the data isn't the significant change, the change in how the card is issued is.

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TOJ

Really? So why does the Federal government keep getting more powerful, taking over functions once reserved to the states and local governments? I certainly have not seen any slow down in that trend.

The problem is that your vote is one in about 100,000,000 and the vast majority of the rest of those voters do believe the Federal government should be their nanny.

Zyphlin

Ikari (but, but the icons Asuka), aren't you one of those that is routinely going after "neo-cons" for using "The politics of fear" whenever they talk about the war on terror, needing to protect from terrorists, the possible spread of Islamist facism?

Isn't this really all you're doing?

"The law doesn't say they're going to put RFID's in us, and the technologies not there yet, or that it'd ever likely get past the supreme court....but you know, They COULD control all of us and everything we do and know everything we're doing by big longe range RFID scanners and implants and it'll be big brother and the government's going to enslave us!"

All of your arguements are based on "what if's" and "maybes" and tons of assumptions...and you know, that's fine. But I laugh at the fact that people pick and choose when those things are legitimate and real for a debate, and when they're just "scare tactics"

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Political buy outs, "my way or the highway" attitude, ignoring of rules and traditions because it suits your purpose...

Yep, gotta love the "Change from politics as usual" in this "post-partisan" era.

Ikari

Point taken. But it's not so much scare tactics as outrage against the government expanding its power where it doesn't have warrant to do so. They aren't going to tag us personally, but they will tag the license. It allows for common forms of readable technology, of which includes RFID. So right off the bat there is that, and you can bet your bottom dollar that it's going in there. As it stands right now, RFID has a small area in which you can read it. You still don't need to physically have the driver's license in hand to scan it, but you have to be close enough to send and receive signals. That technology is expanding though, and it's something of interest to the government. They already have plans to put RFID into passports, which is more the federal government's realm (though I still distrust it) but the expressed purpose is for long range scanning. And long range scanning isn't far off, it's just a coherence and scattering problem and they can figure that one out in time. This aren't "what ifs", the provisions in the bill already allow for RFID tagging and that technology is being refined.

I do have a problem with the government trying to keep tabs on me when I haven't done anything to warrant such action against my person. But more than that, the federal government wasn't authorized to require States to issue nationalized IDs with tracking and databasing technologies. This is a State thing and must remain on the level of the State. Government is inherently untrustworthy and we need to tread carefully when it expands its power to ensure that they are not acting against the innate rights of the People. If the federal government isn't authorized power, it has been reserved to the States and the People and the federal government can not rightfully seize it. These seizures of power should raise flags, and we should be questioning the intent of government. The Real ID Act is a terrible piece of legislature which oversteps the bounds of the federal government and treads on the power and soveriegnty of the States. The States have had too much of their power taken already, and we shouldn't be excusing further usurpations of power. State driver's license fall squarely under the control of the State and that's that.

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