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Old 03-21-08, 12:41 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The war in Iraq: Vets view

Many and most people speaking agianst the war in Iraq have no right. Most have not ever served this country's military. So why should someone who can not serve their country, speak on behalf of those who have? Why? Because this is your right as an American citizen as protected by those who serve in your military to help keep this homeland safe. You can be anti-war or anti-military as you want, but the fact remains, they fight with their lives so you can think this way without retribution. Many say the Iraq war is a waste, but is it? Since the war began how many homeland attacks have occured? Under Clinton, many U.S. based attacks occured and Clinton did nothing. U.S.S. Cole being one that comes to mind. I was also serving with the Cole when it was attacks with its battlegroup. Nobody like war or loosing fellow Americans or friends. But, fighting is going to happen reguardless. As a Vet and fellow American, I would rather it be on foriegn fronts than homeland. We all saw how America reacted to 9/11. How would America react to a multiscale attack across the homeland uncluding residental sites? I will continue to pray this never happens as America would be in panic among citizens. This country has survived for over 200 years for a reason, it inflicts fear among those who hate it. WW1 and WW2 proved that. Don't believe me, ask a Japanese WW2 vet. I am sure that if the choice was givin to remain nutreal agian was given they would think twice. As for Iraq, we are not trying to convert them to Americans, we are trying to convert them into a country that can make decisions from the population of the people and for the people. As Americans we are mainly Christian, and I hope that as a country Iraq remains mainly Muslim. As, that is their given right to do so. We are not their to convert their religion, but to try and give their population a say as to what happens to their country. If under Saddam, you said you think their should be public elections to who runs the country, you would be shot on site. No questions asked. Now, they are beginning to have a say and have elections. We as soldiers are proving effective. Most people serving in Iraq are serving believing they are making a difference. If I were a child in a country under war and saw a young man or women sitting in front of me risking their life so that I might have the right to live without fear of death for my thoughts or beliefs, I would be grateful. This country has not made desicions for itslef since Sadaam took control. So, thinking you can convert it to a self reliant country in just a few years is rediculous. It will take time. It will take lives on both sides. But, in the end, the hopefull result is a peaceful country that its own citizens can live. That is all. I am done with my rant.

P.S. Those people of victims of the Iraq war who lost family members or friends from the war who say their son or daughter died for nothing....GO TO HELL as you discrace the integrity and honor of your own. Hope that that died in honor to protect possibly millions in the future.
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Re: The war in Iraq: Vets view

Im suprised that knowbody has posted yet. Surley someone would of commented on this by now.
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Im suprised that knowbody has posted yet. Surley someone would of commented on this by now.
One huge page sized paragraph has that effect.
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I was also serving with the Cole when it was attacks with its battlegroup.
First and foremost, thanks for your service to your country.

Secondly, welcome to DP! Hope you will come back and share more of your thoughts. As an old used-up 11Bravo from Vietnam (9th Inf Div, '67 - '68), I need all the help I can get dealing with some of these wackos!
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One huge page sized paragraph has that effect.


It got me too...

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First and foremost, thanks for your service to your country.

Secondly, welcome to DP! Hope you will come back and share more of your thoughts....
And please hit the return key once in a while!
Just ribbing you; welcome to DP.
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Hey bro. Welcome to DP. I support your service to this country 100%. I believe many Americans do as well. Thank you.
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Re: The war in Iraq: Vets view

Thank you for your service. However, I think it's pretty arrogant of you to assert that one must have served in order to be able to speak out against the war. That's a pretty weak argument. That's like saying that one must have at one time been a Nazi in order to speak out against Nazism. While many who do speak out against the war don't have the first hand experience that someone who served did, they still have every right in the world to speak out against it. Thankfully we live in a country that affords people the right to speak freely.
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Thank you for your service. However, I think it's pretty arrogant of you to assert that one must have served in order to be able to speak out against the war. That's a pretty weak argument. That's like saying that one must have at one time been a Nazi in order to speak out against Nazism. While many who do speak out against the war don't have the first hand experience that someone who served did, they still have every right in the world to speak out against it. Thankfully we live in a country that affords people the right to speak freely.
He said that you shouldn't, because most people who speak out against the against the war don't put thier lives at stake every day like the soldiers over there. Its should be up to the soldiers who serve in Iraq who decide what we do there not the people back home who have never been there and speak out against the war.
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He said that you shouldn't, because most people who speak out against the against the war don't put thier lives at stake every day like the soldiers over there. Its should be up to the soldiers who serve in Iraq who decide what we do there not the people back home who have never been there and speak out against the war.
I'm not one of the people arguing for a withdrawal, but even I can see that this is a really weak argument. Setting aside who in particular is serving, everyone is paying for it. If the military voted tomorrow to attack Belgium, should they be able to? Our military is under civilian leadership for a reason.
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Old 03-27-08, 06:09 AM   #10 (permalink)
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He said that you shouldn't, because most people who speak out against the against the war don't put thier lives at stake every day like the soldiers over there. Its should be up to the soldiers who serve in Iraq who decide what we do there not the people back home who have never been there and speak out against the war.
maybe you should rather ask the Iraqis what they think about the war
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