DivineComedy

Only when the blinders are taken off and both sides admit their problems. When the black community faces up to its own racism instead of excusing it as being somehow justified. Whitey can't do anything about it, except maybe show up for chicken to see the only White kid in school dance with a black girl.

In a way this is a fantastic election, an conflict long over due. I don't think it is at the right time though. It reminds me of the Black man complaining that all "Black" leaders are reverends. For me the problem is the war as an issue, that can take away from the benefits of this race. If I complain that walking the walk should not have to include social programs as the deed, the "liberal" will not get it.

If the Republican wins, forever the ignorant "liberal" swine of the earth will play it as a racist thing. All it takes is so much as one Southern Democrat to vote Republican. If we don't vote for Obama we will be racists, regardless of how long a white individual may have been supporting the war and quoting Saddam's calls for support of own ideas of justice, or terrorism, or the magical "they":

"On the basis of what we said about Iraq while confronting aggressions, the world now needs to abort the US aggressive schemes, including its aggression on the Afghan people, which must stop.
Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings." (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

The "liberal" sees no connection between Saddam, 911, and Operation Iraqi Freedom, so by default the neocommie blinders only allow the hive mind to see what it wants to see, it must be racism that keeps me from voting for Obama: One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq

Obama not having the endorsement of the fifth column would make me feel better.

"Everyone who welcomes Louis Farrakahn to Atlanta is either a racist or a fifth columnist." {Old metro Atlanta newspaper vent, from the early 90's, uh, the racist was welcome at a "black" racist church.}

“He is merely doing what he thinks is necessary to get elected and he will continue doing it as long as it keeps him in power.” (How Barack Obama learned to love Israel
Ali Abunimah, The Electronic Intifada, 4 March 2007)
ei: How Barack Obama learned to love Israel

To change the divide requires honesty, which is needed for trust, and excuses just do not cut it.


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"So where is your analysis? You mostly quote Barack, and then slam him." (aps)

"For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances - for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family."
Blah blah blah...

1) For the Black community the path to a more perfect union means not having to repent for being a racist?

"In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination - and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past - are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds - by investing in our schools and our communities;..." Blah blah blah...


2) In the White community, the path to a more perfect union means White guys must not only repent {words}, for something they did not do, but with deeds pay for it.

That was analysis, however brief, regardless of what a "liberal" thinks.

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Yeah, a wall and a border patrol will protect us. {sound of laughter}

danarhea

He quoted her as saying some things that would make him cringe. Also, in the speech he said he could not abandon her. That is showing a very Christian trait - That of loving someone, even if they have made derogatory statements about your race. You love people despite their peccadilloes, not because of them. Too bad you have to try and twist this simple fact into something grotesque, which is just not true. He never threw his grandmother under the bus, as you assert. He stated the fact that he loved her, despite the occasional rascist remarks she used to make. Your claim is simply misrepresentation. You must hate Obama a lot. OK, then. Feel the burn. It doesn't matter to the rest of us.

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MC.no.spin

Obama is caught between two classic postures that blacks have always used to make their way in the white American mainstream: bargaining and challenging. Bargainers strike a "bargain" with white America in which they say, I will not rub America's ugly history of racism in your face if you will not hold my race against me. Challengers do the opposite of bargainers. They charge whites with inherent racism and then demand that they prove themselves innocent by supporting black-friendly policies like affirmative action and diversity.

Obama is the consummate bargainer, but the bind Obama finds himself in is that he must be a bargainer to gain wide white support and yet he must appear to be a challenger in order to fully gain the trust of most blacks and win their votes.

Obama is trapped by these politics which guide his candidacy. In this speech he stepped far into the subject of race, more than any politician has in decades. It is the proverbial third rail in politics, but Obama was forced to. In trying to garner political advantage in a black suburb of the south side of Chicago, by attending this church and therefore getting more in tune with the black community, he has imperiled his opportunity for garnering the vote of a nation.

The question is, did he speak effectively enough today to split himself off from the racism of Jeremiah Wright and his racially divided "Black Values System", keeping the vote of Jews, hispanics, whites and others, while still keeping a reality of understanding, and sympathy, with blacks and their long held frustrations?

Regardless if he did, sooner or later Obama will have to be asked the tough questions with McCain in a debate. Questions as to welfare policies, affirmative action policies, etc. will reveal that his position is liberal and to the left, no matter what he says in these impressive speeches. Many blacks will still be in their churches, angry and made to feel victimized, getting their welfare and wanting reparations, with Democrats demanding more affirmative action, and Jessee and Al looking for a mic.

It is not enough to preach change - one needs a road to that change. I don't see it in the liberal platform. I don't see how unity will be achieved. Just how exactly do you find unity in this country on affirmative action, taxes, and welfare, let alone immigration, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel, No Child Left Behind, gay marriage, gun control, and on and on. This is political chicanery at its finest. The left wing and the right wing are far apart on these issues. This will not change because of Barack Obama.

I realize a lot of you got that fuzzy, feel good feeling over this candidate, but the substance is still missing for me.

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danarhea

I disagree with most of what you stated, but I do agree with one thing. Obama has said a lot about what he is going to do, but not how he is going to do it. Nice speeches without substance don't cut it in the end. On that, I agree with you.

Captain America

Myself, I disagree with SOME of what Mc'y said and agree with a lot. But Dana hit the nail on the head he he says,

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Huckabee for prez in 2012!

Navy Pride

The question one has to ask is did Obama blame white America for the outrageous comments his minister made?

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azura28

[quote=Middleground;1057561274]You know, I really hate to generalize, but I can't help but notice that neocons never see grey. It's black or it's white.

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You don't have any concern at all that Barrack had a pastor like that for 20 years? None at all?

Wright is a rascist. This man clearly was Obama's mentor.

I am not a neo-con, I am a democrat and never voted for Bush and now I prefer Hillary Clinton. I have a friend that loves Obama - but even he is very concerned about this and says it is bad. This is a BIG issue, and it's not going away.

jfuh

I'm not familiar with that system.

yes and obama has already condemned him multiple times.

What do u want him to convince you of and what will it take of him to convince you.

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Middleground

After today's speech, no. His response more than put me at ease, and so far, he has not shown any reason for me to doubt him.

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Reverend_Hellh0und

Right making it personal helps your argument. My point is is that he is using her to make it seem that we are all inherently "racist" and that his minister mentor was not that different than the rest of us Americans.

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