Reverend_Hellh0und

And you all seem to be "true believers"

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Marilyn Monroe

You don't get to pick your grandma. I've stopped being friends with people because I didn't like their ideology. I wouldn't be going to this church for long if the pastor talked like that. There are a gazillion Christian Churches, so somehow it seems like going there for 20 years was condoning the behavior. I know black churches like to get everybody caught up in the rapture, but not all do. I'd be going somewhere that said blacks need to start getting married, and working towards having committed relationships once again, stuff like that. That's the true Christian philosophy, but a lot of black pastors are afraid to tread those waters, so they yakk about white America. They are preaching what they think the people want to hear.

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Hatuey

Says who? You? Please don't make me laugh. Please don't because I will. I really don't want to laugh but....oh....oooh....too late.... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Please stick to abortion threads. You're about as relevant there as you are here but at least there you are able to follow the entire thread instead of just jumping in and acting like your somehow saying something new and what you're saying hasn't been beaten to the point of irrelevancy. EVERYTHING you just talked about has been talked about and now you're just parroting. Please stop. It's really sad now. That after nearly 2 weeks of this silly Obama is a racist talk you're now deciding to jump in and act like you're saying something different. Pay attention. You're saying the same **** NP, Reverend & every other person who's attacked Obama in the last few days has been saying. Even though everything you said has been addressed you're still acting like you didn't hear it. Why? Is Obama going to have to smack a b!tch for people to understand? Come on buddy.

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Hatuey

Translation of your entire post : "Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii'mmmmmmmmmmmm nooooooooootttttttttttt listeniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing"

Reverend_Hellh0und

What is that a self portrait. I know I know to you "true believers" obama can do no wrong. Would love to debate you further but your most recent post is lacking.

Hatuey

Pssst I'm a brownie.

Reverend. It's obvious that you had no intention of debating this honestly. From the very get go you dishonestly interpreted what Obama had said. A FULL F'N DAY before Obama gave his speech you were already attacking him and the speech he'd yet to give. You pretended to know what he was going to say and when faced with the very opposite you attacked him. Obama made no excuse for being friends with Wright just like he made no excuse for loving his grandmother even though she had views he didn't agree with. You interpreted this to mean he had put her on the same pedestal as you put Wright. He didn't. The point he made had absolutely NOTHING to do with how you portrayed it. Your position on this is just sad now. You wanted him to get on his knees and beg forgiveness. He didn't and I wouldn't expect a person like Obama to do it either. Why should he? Why should he make an apology nobody in Congress is willing to make when they are erroneously portrayed as a radical because of the friendships & associations they have?

Reverend_Hellh0und

I thought they only let 7-13 year old girls in there.





***YAWN*** lacking substance you want to label me as dishonest. I never stated I wanted him to "get on his knees and beg forgiveness" and you want to attack my "honesty" get real. I stated had he stated "Me and my family have left this racist church and disavow this racist pastor" I would be fine with that. Fact is he defended his character while decrying the specific statments that he at one time said he never heard then in this speech said he had.

Marilyn Monroe

Don't see the humor.



I'll stick to what I want to stick with. I'm pro-abortion, so I'm not getting your point here. I think there are two ways to look at abortion, but that's true with all debates, that's why they are debates.

I'm saying that Obama should have kept it all a lot shorter and sweeter. He's really talking out of both sides of his mouth on this one, and I've found him to be acting as a rule very honestly. Just think you can't have your cake and eat it too. Can't say I condemn this guy, but he's coming over for Sunday dinner. I mean most people don't work that way. Hardly any of us do. He can't disavow him? Yeah, he can. "I'm pulling up my Sunday contributions and going elsewhere."

I think I speak for myself, and don't care what anybody else says.

aps

I'm curious what you mean when you say he talks out of both sides of his mouth. How so? How is he having his cake and eating it too?

Sure, he can disavow Wright, but he chooses not to. It is stunning to me how many people think that they have such insight to be able to comment on someone's relationship. Did you think that Hillary should have left Bill after the Monica Lewinsky scandal? We all impose our own thoughts on how others should act, but we cannot state with omniscience what someone should do when something like the Wright incident happens.

He considers Wright to be a part of his family. My sister hit me when I was 3 months pregnant. My parents and siblings were absolutely horrified. Did I expect them to kick her out of the family for behaving so recklessly and immorally? NO! And don't say, "Well, it's family." As stated by Obama, Wright is "family" to him. Obama doesn't have to agree with Wright on every single issue, or does he? Even if Wright has made racist comments in the past, does that make him a terrible person? Personally, I don't think so, particularly when it sounds like Wright hasn't done anything like physically assault someone because of their race, or kicked someone out of his church because of their race, etc.

No one knows the context of the relationship of Obama and Wright. I actually commend Obama for sticking to his friend, as it shows that he won't abandon a friendship just because Americans have been appalled by the things Wright has said. It's called standing by one's principles.

Marilyn Monroe

I think you answered that one yourself, when you say he chooses not to disavow Wright. Obama is a politician, come on, that's not an innocent thing. You get into politics, you've seen it all, and then some. Wright said God Damn America like a machine gun. He blamed America for 9/11, or we got what we deserved. I wouldn't associate with someone like that, and you know Obama shouldn't, either.

Does he think it's somehow noble to stand tall with someone who says things against the country he loves so deeply? I don't get it.

I didn't care what Clinton did. She had put up with Bill before, plus he's her husband, so she can make up her own mind about it. Now if I really liked Hillary, I would think she should have left him, yes. There are lots of reasons women stay with unfaithful husbands, and I'm not thinking love is real high on the list, it's usually for other reasons.

Wrights words were inciteful, and he's in a position of power. Obama considers Wright family, well I know lots of people who have ended relationsips with family. It's not uncommon.

It also could mean he agrees with Wright underneath it all. He says no, but why didn't he quit going to this church the first time he heard the vitriol? I'd say I'm sorry, but I can't remain friends with this guy, and should have cut and run long ago. I don't find any of this particularly principled. Obama should be under the same scrutiny all the candidates are.