Infinite Chaos

The previous times weren't cases of invasion. France willingly offered herself up..

Infinite Chaos

It was hardly Tibet though - depending on your point of view, Northern Ireland was either a Catholic segment wishing to join with Eire or Protestant Irishmen wishing to retain links to the UK mainland. Some of the protestants argue they always lived there.

I don't know enough about Tibet but are the Han Chinese also called Han Tibetans?

jfuh

Seems similar enough with Tibet.

Oooooo, good question I honestly do not know however it is my understanding that there are indeed "han tibetans" that have been in parts of the area for a while 50+ years but they wouldn't exactly identify themselves as Tibetan rather than simply from Tibet. There are many such in Taiwan today.

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jfuh

You know it, but sadly most of the west thinks it's exactly what's going on regardless of.

Infinite Chaos

I wanted to ask some questions -

1. Do the Chinese keep any of their nuclear arsenal in Tibet? And how much would you think? (It's probably aimed at India or Pakistan)
2. What mineral resources are there in Tibet? It doesn't seem to grow much food that I know of.
3. What do the Chinese call Tibet? I understand "China" itself is a western word so is "Tibet" the same? I have heard the name "Xizang Zhizou" as the name the Chinese use for Tibet but am unsure what it means.
4. Do the Chinese use Tibet (if it is a barren wasteland) for nuclear testing?

Just wondering why they are so keen to hang on to it.

bub

Yesterday on German TV there was another debate about Tibet.

They said that (Han) Chineses were "colonizing" Tibet. They have build a railroad from Beijing to Lassah, and thousands of (Han) Chinese tourists arrive there, thousands work there. Those who want to move and live in Tibet get funds.

Chinese is the only language spoken in most of the shoppes, if they want to send a mail they have to write the adress in Chinese, if they want to open a bank account they have to do it in Chinese...they are marginalized in their own country.

Beijing does that because they want Tibet to remain under their control.

Some of the reasons for that are:
- If Tibet gets its independence, China explodes (all the other regions will want that too)
- Tibet is at the frontier of India, China's ennemy.
- There are oleoducs (oil pipes) crossing Tibet


What is funny, is to compare Tibet with Chechnya. If Chechnya gets its independence, all the other small regions over there (Daghestan, Ossetia...) will want to get their independence too, and there are also oil and gaz pipes crossing the country. That's why Russia is never going to accept Chechnya's independence.

However, Tibet does not want to be independent, they want to protect their language and culture.

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Yes, I found this article somewhere -

However it seems to contradict other reports / comments I've seen about stationing nuclear weapons and nuclear testing in Tibet.

jfuh

I don't know, but having ICBM's I don't see why they would need to keep any there.

Again, I'm uncertain but from what I know that aside from being the 5 largest depository in China for mining (expected) it has the largest chromium and crystal (for industrial use) mining in all of China. But primarily metal mining.

Xizang (西藏) means western zang (zang being the ethnic name).

Not that I'm aware of, most of the nuclear tests they ever conducted (they don't do so anymore) was carried out in the deserts of Xinjiang province.

National unity - China has a tragic history regarding national unity. Each time it was ever split up either through internal civil war or external imperial colonization and world war have been instances of suffrage and strife. The two have been synonymous for the last 3000 years. That's the macro reason.
The micro reason is the exact same reason why any other nation wants to keep territory. Why did the British hold on to the Falkland isles? Why did the US acquire Alaska? What's with Pueto Rico? Why does Russia want to claim the North pole? Why do the Danish keep Greenland?

jfuh

Emphasis on the quotation marks for colonization. It's can't be colonization when you are in your own country. Thousands of han tourists and business people go into Tibetan plateaus to cash in on the expanding tourism industry but in the same thousands of Tibetans go down to the lower lying industrious provinces to seek employment in various industries.

Chinese is the official language in China why would they use anything else?
Were you in France would you write an address in Arabic?
As for language spoken in most shops yes, but if they wish to speak Tibetan no one prevents them from doing so. Just as people in Shanghai speak shanghainese everywhere, people in Canton speak Cantonese, people in Fujian speak ***anese and people in Hunan speak Hunanese - but the national language is what everyone is able to cross communicate in.
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It is the sovereignty of China

goes much deeper than just that but yes that's a reason

It provides a natural border yes.

From India? This is misinforming. There are pipelines but those pipelines are feeding oil INTO tibet not out of . Though I believe they have recently found some natural gas there - will have to research more into that.

My position and that of most Chinese is that Tibetan language and culture MUST be protected and respected - China is multi-ethnic.

jfuh

I'd like to see sources that report such