Interresting-Ideas

First, you might want to check out my introductory-thread.
Then, let's debate it.


As i see it, why should we really allow unintelligent people access to the democratic system? Why should we allow the uneducated to make important decisions about the future of the globe? People who'd vote for [url="http://www.extremefunnyhumor.com/pics/Stupid%20Bush.jpg"] bush?[/U
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Couldn't the Leninist theory of Professional revolutionaries apply here, only with a professional democracy? What the hell is the point of letting people run areas they know nothing about?

Korimyr the Rat

Most people will tell you that it is a matter of "human rights" or "civil rights", and that such people deserve to have their voice in government because they exist-- or, at very least, because governmental decisions affect their lives.

As far as I'm concerned, the reason that we must allow the stupid and ignorant to vote is because, if we are to prohibit them from doing so, we must first determine who legally qualifies as "stupid and ignorant". And since the agency that would make this determination is the government, it would allow those currently in government to make those determinations in a fashion that benefits their interests.

It's the same reason I oppose removing the right to vote from convicted felons. We've already seen that used as a means of manipulating the electorate in favor of corrupt and socially detrimental law.

Problem is... that leaves the politicians deciding who is qualified to elect the politicians. As another famous Soviet wrote, "It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

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tecoyah

That pretty much says it all.....Bravo

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Interresting-Ideas

Obviously bull**** - those people might do them selfs more harm than good having the ability to vote.

IQ-Test. School grades. And rule out everybody who voted for bush..
And even if so, who cares? The Government should be more qualified if it has more power. After all, in the history of man-kind Hitler's Germany, and Stalin's USSR were the quickest to be industrialized.

The Governmentshould by all means benefit themselves - as long as we ensure there are no gun laws, we can always kill them if they start sucking.



Not if you introduce the death penalty for corruption, and higher founding for the intelligence agencies.

The Soviet Union was build from scratch. Sure, it was a fascist-style dictatorship, and had nothing to do with the roots of the Communist Current,but it was successful. Russia was a pitiful mess after WW1, and while Stalin might have destroyed the democracy Lenin build up, he at least stamped the Nazi's, and definitively build the economy.

tecoyah

Judging by the logic you display, and the theory you propose...It seems you are saying you should not be allowed to vote.

Likely you just laid out the best argument for your cause possible.

Brilliant Strategy

Interresting-Ideas

Heh. Sorry, i haven't argued this point before. Try and have a look at my introductory tread. I normally defend democracy and freedom of Speech.

Lachean

You should rename yourself "Devil's Advocate" then.

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Korimyr the Rat

IQ tests would be administered by shrinks on the government payroll. Not to mention, of course, that they would have to be accredited by the government-- and would, in short order, have the terms of the test politically reconditioned.

School grades? School grades are not a measure of intelligence, they are a measure of compliance-- specifically, compliance with a government program. So, you would directly base one's ability to participate in government with one's mindless acceptance of government propaganda.

And like all progress, it occurred at a price. Is that a price you are willing to pay?

First, the people are mindless easily-controlled sheep that cannot be trusted to vote in their own best interests... and then, you trust them to overthrow a corrupt government? Or, even if they were rebellious enough, you trust them to overthrow the government at the right time and put something better into place?

Corruption... as, once again, determined by the government. You expect them to police themselves? And I certainly fail to see what higher funding for intelligence agencies would accomplish... when intelligence agencies are often the most corrupt parts of any government.

Not to mention, a great deal of using the laws to benefit oneself does not count as "corruption" by any but the greatest leaps of imagination. After all, voting for expensive business regulations that keep new competitors from threatening your business interests isn't corrupt-- it's "enlightened".

talloulou

Our current two party system barely succeeds in giving the illusion of choice. If we stop letting liberals speak all together the illusion will be shot to hell.

John1234

Good Idea!

Lets borrow 100 billion more from China so we can give every American an IQ test before they are allowed to register to vote.

Lets create a new government agency to do this.
So that it can be corrupted and used as a political tool.
Creating miles of red tape and pushing our taxes up even higher.