At what point do you think the fetus becomes a baby? - Page 13

Frank Apisa · 03-14-08, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

Geez pops! How's that any different from what you said a couple of posts ago? Maybe geriatrics should be considered non-persons given their feeble minds.

You really turn me on when you call me pops!

If a woman is pregnant and decides she does not want to continue the pregnancy occurring in her own body—she should be able to terminate it—legally and as safely as possible, which means without laws against it and with access to as safe a medical procedure as possible.

And neither you, nor Felicity, nor the government should have ANYTHING to say about it.

If there is a god who will punish the woman for this deed, that is between the god and the woman.

talloulou · 03-14-08, 05:53 PM

Good Lord, can you say it again pops. Just one more time. Old people are funny and I get a kick out of listening to them repeat themselves.

Felicity · 03-14-08, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

She is indeed carrying a human Zygote, fetus collection of cells...whatever,

A human BEING.

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but they are the same species, so Parasite is a bit of a stretch I think, and carries a negative connotation I just don't like.

Agreed--and that means she can only be a "host" in the sense that she is "entertains a guest."

tecoyah · 03-14-08, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

A human BEING.

I guess this is the term in contention for many...and simply stating it does not solve the disagreement.

Agreed--and that means she can only be a "host" in the sense that she is "entertains a guest."

Works for me, but I still prefer pregnant woman...heh

Felicity · 03-14-08, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by talloulou

Good Lord, can you say it again pops. Just one more time. Old people are funny and I get a kick out of listening to them repeat themselves.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/1057549303-post102.html (Christianity presents a greater danger to me...)

It's ironic that this ""This guy is saying stuff we don't wanna hear, so we're gonna put our fingers in our ears and hold our breath 'til we turn blue!" is exactly what is being displayed by the repeating behaviors of the author of that line.

Felicity · 03-14-08, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

I guess this is the term in contention for many...and simply stating it does not solve the disagreement.

Hey--you're the one that said "whatever..." "Being" simply means "a living organism" and that is what a human fetus, zygote, embryo, infant, toddler, adolescent, teenager, adult, geriatric is--a human being at a particular stage of development.

tecoyah · 03-14-08, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

Hey--you're the one that said "whatever..." "Being" simply means "a living organism" and that is what a human fetus, zygote, embryo, infant, toddler, adolescent, teenager, adult, geriatric is--a human being at a particular stage of development.

be·ing /ˈbiɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bee-ing] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the fact of existing; existence (as opposed to nonexistence).
2. conscious, mortal existence; life: Our being is as an instantaneous flash of light in the midst of eternal night.
3. substance or nature: of such a being as to arouse fear.
4. something that exists: inanimate beings.
5. a living thing: strange, exotic beings that live in the depths of the sea.
6. a human being; person: the most beautiful being you could imagine.
7. (initial capital letter) God.
8. Philosophy.
a. that which has actuality either materially or in idea.
b. absolute existence in a complete or perfect state, lacking no essential characteristic; essence.

Ok....I can go with that. I just thought you were implying this:

human being
–noun
1. any individual of the genus Homo, esp. a member of the species Homo sapiens.
2. a person, esp. as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species: living conditions not fit for human beings; a very generous human being.

There is much contention about applying this term to a Zygote, Fetus, group of Cells....whatever.

Ethereal · 03-14-08, 07:59 PM

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Hey...we were instructed to go look the stuff up in the dictionary by one of yours. Can't you follow what's going on?

That's not the point. The inferences he made from the dictionary were entirely his own, and as such leaves them open to ridicule if and when his inferences are identified as erroneous - which they most certainly were that.

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I have never heard any pro-choice person refer to "the unborn" as parasites. I am not saying no pro-choice people do it, but it sure as hell is not wide-spread--and I suspect you know that.

That's because you haven't been part of this forum long enough. It's one of their favorite recourses to demonizing and dehumanizing the unborn - accepting that there a few exceptions. Perhaps this forum is simply an aberrant demographic of the pro-choice movement, but who knows.

talloulou · 03-14-08, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

be·ing /ˈbiɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bee-ing] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the fact of existing; existence (as opposed to nonexistence).
2. conscious, mortal existence; life: Our being is as an instantaneous flash of light in the midst of eternal night.
3. substance or nature: of such a being as to arouse fear.
4. something that exists: inanimate beings.
5. a living thing: strange, exotic beings that live in the depths of the sea.
6. a human being; person: the most beautiful being you could imagine.
7. (initial capital letter) God.
8. Philosophy.
a. that which has actuality either materially or in idea.
b. absolute existence in a complete or perfect state, lacking no essential characteristic; essence.

Ok....I can go with that. I just thought you were implying this:

human being
–noun
1. any individual of the genus Homo, esp. a member of the species Homo sapiens.
2. a person, esp. as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species: living conditions not fit for human beings; a very generous human being.

There is much contention about applying this term to a Zygote, Fetus, group of Cells....whatever.

Really? I haven't seen a whole lot of contention. I think most rational people understand that a pregnant human is carrying a living developing member of our species in her womb. All organisms are classified. An unborn human can only be classified ONE way; Homo sapiens. If there's genuine contention over this I haven't seen it.

Felicity · 03-14-08, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tecoyah

be·ing /ˈbiɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bee-ing] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the fact of existing; existence (as opposed to nonexistence).
2. conscious, mortal existence; life: Our being is as an instantaneous flash of light in the midst of eternal night.
3. substance or nature: of such a being as to arouse fear.
4. something that exists: inanimate beings.
5. a living thing: strange, exotic beings that live in the depths of the sea.
6. a human being; person: the most beautiful being you could imagine.
7. (initial capital letter) God.
8. Philosophy.
a. that which has actuality either materially or in idea.
b. absolute existence in a complete or perfect state, lacking no essential characteristic; essence.

Ok....I can go with that. .

Great! Per your citation, a human being is a person and per your acknowledgment here, you "can go with that." Super! I guess our dispute is solved! Glad to have you switch sides tecoyah! Welcome!!!