For those who are afraid of guns - Page 13

dclxvinoise · 03-27-08, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alphieb

Sometimes, they have people in their homes with access to them that are not responsible. That is how they end up in the wrong hands. Gangs are killing each other daily.

And do you think that gun control laws will somehow prevent these gangs from getting guns and killing each other? Plus, even if it were possible to do it there are a fair number of other deadly weapons out there that are completely legal. Should we ban those as well?

alphieb · 03-27-08, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dclxvinoise

And do you think that gun control laws will somehow prevent these gangs from getting guns and killing each other? Plus, even if it were possible to do it there are a fair number of other deadly weapons out there that are completely legal. Should we ban those as well?

Well, it would be kind of hard to do a drive by shooting with a knife

And yes, the fewer the guns the harder they will be to obtain.

dclxvinoise · 03-27-08, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by alphieb

Well, it would be kind of hard to do a drive by shooting with a knife

And yes, the fewer the guns the harder they will be to obtain.

Yes, because drive by shootings are the only method of gang killings. It sounds to me like you've been watching too many movies. Personally, I think it's foolish to blame the problems of the world on inanimate objects. Besides, what makes you think that criminals won't find illegal methods to get guns? All this would do is restrict gun use for law abiding citizens.

scourge99 · 03-27-08, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dclxvinoise

Yes, because drive by shootings are the only method of gang killings. It sounds to me like you've been watching too many movies. Personally, I think it's foolish to blame the problems of the world on inanimate objects. Besides, what makes you think that criminals won't find illegal methods to get guns? All this would do is restrict gun use for law abiding citizens.

Mexico is a good example. Guns are banned there yet there is lots of gun crime.

Gun bans aren't effective. They are even less effective when bordering countries do not have bans. If we banned guns in a state all you have to do is drive a bit to get a gun. If we banned it in the US now you just have to import one from Canada; not a difficult task.

Bannings guns to stop violence is an ideal solution for an ideal world. Too bad we don't live in an ideal world.

alphieb · 03-27-08, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dclxvinoise

Yes, because drive by shootings are the only method of gang killings. It sounds to me like you've been watching too many movies. Personally, I think it's foolish to blame the problems of the world on inanimate objects. Besides, what makes you think that criminals won't find illegal methods to get guns? All this would do is restrict gun use for law abiding citizens.

Nope, I watch the news and hear about all too many kids going to school with guns and shooting people. The problem is crazy people shouldn't have ANY access to "objects".

dclxvinoise · 03-27-08, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alphieb

Nope, I watch the news and hear about all too many kids going to school with guns and shooting people.

Are you seriously going to blame school shootings solely on guns? People have had access to guns for decades. Why would access to guns be to blame for the amount of school shootings that there are today?

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The problem is crazy people shouldn't have ANY access to "objects".

How exactly is banning these "objects" going to benefit the people who aren't crazy and who are using "objects" for protection.

scourge99 · 03-27-08, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alphieb

The problem is crazy people shouldn't have ANY access to "objects".

Who gets to decide what makes someone "crazy"? How do you determine if someone is crazy?

The solution is more ambiguous than the fuzzy criteria for qualification as "crazy".

SmilesAndFrowns · 03-27-08, 07:45 PM

First, You can live in a state that has laws against certain firearms and drive to another and bring it back to said state. Example, you cant buy a ak-47 with a detacable 30 rd magizine and take it to california because that is illegal in the state of california. Better yet you cant even buy a weopon in a state your not resident of. Im in the Marine Corps, to purchase a weopon in the state of North Carolina i had to show that i had been a resident of NC for 6 months.

Second, An arguement based on gangs killing each other your reasoning for limiting guns. Thats dumb, really dumb. I careless if a gang member kills a gang member. Should worry about that law abiding citizen him and is fellow gang members house they bring into and kill just because someone had to make their bones to get in the gang.

Third, If the incompedent person would secure his or her weopons correctly were wouldnt have stolen weapons for criminals to buy.

Forth, One gun is not the same a 500 guns. Junk guns are cheap guns, that are not of any historical value, they are not high quality. Junk guns are in essences designed to be "throw aways" shot them a couple times. O well if it breaks or you kill someone with it and throw in the trash can.

Fifth, Dont blame school shooting or any shooting on the avaiblity of guns. That is a crap out. Attack or better yet make your real point the person who pulled the trigger.

LaMidRighter · 03-27-08, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by scourge99

I don't see a difference in buying one gun or 500. It only takes one gun to kill the same amount of people as 500 guns.

If joe bob buys 5 junk guns it doesn't make him more likely to kill more people. One gun can do the same as 5.

I realize this, the thing is someone buying cheap guns may be looking to dump them, cheaper guns become "disposable" while I don't think that the inanimate object being junk will be solely purchased by criminals, it does, admittedly raise a red flag. I don't have a problem with a few questions asked if suspicion is well founded and documented.

LaMidRighter · 03-27-08, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dclxvinoise

Are you seriously going to blame school shootings solely on guns? People have had access to guns for decades. Why would access to guns be to blame for the amount of school shootings that there are today?

More like centuries, that doesn't invalidate the point however, just strengthens it.

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How exactly is banning these "objects" going to benefit the people who aren't crazy and who are using "objects" for protection.

It doesn't benefit anyone, only makes people who don't understand weaponry feel like they have accomplished something towards safety.