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Old 01-23-08, 08:06 AM   #51
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For liberals, not making moral judgments is the very essence of science. On that theory, Howard Stern should be curing cancer and inventing cold fusion any day now.
Are you a Neo-Luddist or something? Here is the text book deffinition of Science in a historical sense, refers to any systematic knowledge or practice.[1] The modern use of the term refers to a system of acquiring knowledge based on the scientific method, as well as to the organized body of knowledge gained through such research;


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By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, druggies, liars, weasels, and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites.
Spare me those qualities have no bounds whether your a liberal, a conservative or a libertarian.

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We live in an America in which soccer moms swoon over Bill Clinton, date Drew Peterson awaiting likely murder charges, and have Larry Flint as a cultural icon.
Flint just represents free speech whether you like it or not. The Religious Right tried to take him down (along with the rest of the porn industry) and they failed. As for Clinton and Peterson your really shooting for the moon here.

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And yes, chevydriver, it does come down to the parents. Conservatives talk about family values, not big government.
It's the liberals who want to teach your kids about homosexuality in the second grade, hand out condoms in elementary school, make sure your 13 year old daughter gets to abort her baby without you finding out, and omit God from the pledge of Allegiance or any other reference to him.
I am sick of those who "trumpet" the family values card. Values is subjective and varies by the person. You say that conservatives believe in big government but guess what government has expanded to the biggest in 20 years. Bush has spent more money since Mr. Great Society Johnson. If the anti-big government rhetoric was true then why do the Republicans court the Religious Right? The Religious Right isnt about small government they are just as controlling and oppressive as the liberals your railing against. In addition I was in elementary and midddle school during Clinton's reign (Im 23 now) and I dont remember ever ever being taught about gays, abortion or not having to say God in the pledge Ive always said the pledge regardless. Your really generalizing here.

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Liberals have used their control of television, movies, glossy magazines, and newspapers to create a charming world in which women are enticed to behave like pigs, have sex without consequences, prance about naked and abort children.
I dont like it that 13 year old girls dress like skanks and heavy metal groupies either but again this falls on the responsibility of the parents not the state. Its not my business to tell a parent how to raise their child. I dont know about some of these parents now but my father stretched heavily on when I have sex with my girlfriend is to always use protection.

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Liberals hate society and want to bring it down to reinforce their sense of invincibility.
More generalization here, you do realize that classic liberalism is the exact opposite right? You want to slam liberals in this sense then go after the PC liberals but the Religious Right also has the same narrow 1 dimensional view on our society as well.
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Old 01-24-08, 02:49 AM   #52
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More generalization here, you do realize that classic liberalism is the exact opposite right? You want to slam liberals in this sense then go after the PC liberals but the Religious Right also has the same narrow 1 dimensional view on our society as well.
I am not referring to classic liberalism. I gather you feel attacked because you are a Libertarian and the term "classic liberalism" is intertwined with your party. This is NOT the group I am referring to. Classic liberals are conservative on economic policy, wanting limited government, less taxes, free markets and no welfare state. AMEN.

Modern liberalism does NOT share the same intellectual foundations as classical liberalism and Libertarians.

Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current weasel, draft dodging, wacko collectivists have captured that designation here in the United States. They did not capture the term in Europe, and were happy enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are, except the poster on here "Independent thinker" (just by his poster name you can see he knows this fact too).

Yet that's what these liberals are. They are communists dressed up as freedom fighters.

Liberals hate the idea of God because it competes with their conception of themselves as a specially anointed elite.

Liberals constantly accuse Christians of being a homophobe or a bigot or a racist, but the most earnest of Christians has never approached the preachy intolerance of a liberal who has just discovered a lit ciggarette in a nonsmoking section.

But it's gone too far, and the silenced majority is waking up and taking their country back. Year after year, Gallup polls show that more than twice as many Americans call themselves conservative (about 41 percent) than call themselves liberals (21 percent). What has happened: the blogs, the forums, the NPR and conservative media outlets are waking up America. We ARE taking our country back.

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Old 01-24-08, 09:35 AM   #53
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Re: If you care about civil rights you should be a Republican

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I am not referring to classic liberalism. I gather you feel attacked because you are a Libertarian and the term "classic liberalism" is intertwined with your party. This is NOT the group I am referring to. Classic liberals are conservative on economic policy, wanting limited government, less taxes, free markets and no welfare state. AMEN.
Believe it or not Im a Republican because I know the reality that third parties will never be able to gain any real traction on the national level IMO. The only Republican that fits (for the most part) for what I want in a President is Ron Paul but I am willing to stomach Romney and I can live with McCain because of amount of respect I have for McCain despite he was pushing the amnesty crap.
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Old 01-24-08, 09:49 AM   #54
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Liberals constantly accuse Christians of being a homophobe or a bigot or a racist,
Maybe if the bible wasn't filled with racism and homophobia then christians wouldn't be called racist and homophobic. Just a thought.
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I am not referring to classic liberalism. I gather you feel attacked because you are a Libertarian and the term "classic liberalism" is intertwined with your party. This is NOT the group I am referring to. Classic liberals are conservative on economic policy, wanting limited government, less taxes, free markets and no welfare state. AMEN.

Modern liberalism does NOT share the same intellectual foundations as classical liberalism and Libertarians.

Classical liberalism is liberalism, but the current weasel, draft dodging, wacko collectivists have captured that designation here in the United States. They did not capture the term in Europe, and were happy enough to call themselves socialists. But no one in America wants to be called socialist and admit what they are, except the poster on here "Independent thinker" (just by his poster name you can see he knows this fact too).

Yet that's what these liberals are. They are communists dressed up as freedom fighters.

Liberals hate the idea of God because it competes with their conception of themselves as a specially anointed elite.

Liberals constantly accuse Christians of being a homophobe or a bigot or a racist, but the most earnest of Christians has never approached the preachy intolerance of a liberal who has just discovered a lit ciggarette in a nonsmoking section.

But it's gone too far, and the silenced majority is waking up and taking their country back. Year after year, Gallup polls show that more than twice as many Americans call themselves conservative (about 41 percent) than call themselves liberals (21 percent). What has happened: the blogs, the forums, the NPR and conservative media outlets are waking up America. We ARE taking our country back.
Once again, you insult and you fluff and you namecall, but you don't give us anything substantive. I'm going to ask you again,

How are gay rights NOT a civil rights?

Judging by the fact that you've dodged the question, it's obvious that you have no answer, that you have nothing substantive to say. Now please either start actually discussing the concepts at hand, or go back to Rio Linda and leave us in peace.
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Once again, you insult and you fluff and you namecall, but you don't give us anything substantive. I'm going to ask you again,

How are gay rights NOT a civil rights?

Judging by the fact that you've dodged the question, it's obvious that you have no answer, that you have nothing substantive to say. Now please either start actually discussing the concepts at hand, or go back to Rio Linda and leave us in peace.
rights are individual.

You need to be more specific about what rights an individual gay person is lacking.
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rights are individual.

You need to be more specific about what rights an individual gay person is lacking.
The right to marry who he or she chooses, and the myriad legal benefits (like next-of-kin rights) that comes with it.
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Not to mention, in many places, the right to live their lives how they want without risking discrimination.
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The right to marry who he or she chooses, and the myriad legal benefits (like next-of-kin rights) that comes with it.
the right to force other people to recognize your relationship.
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Yes I am. We happen to have a perfect record on preventing terrorist attacks since 9/11, and in asking you for a name of an innocent person who lost his civil rights because of the Patriot Act, you failed to name one who actually wasn't involved in illegal terrorist activities. Case closed.

The only way to get liberals to focus on terrorists would be to convince them that the terrorists are interfering with a woman's right to choose or that commercial jetliners exploding in midair are a threat to America's wetlands

HAHAHA. What the hell do you call the suicide bombs that have been happening in Iraq since then? The attacks on U.S. forces there?

Or wait, are those not terrorist and thus terrorist attacks?

If they're not, was the U.S.S. Cole? Khobar Towers --- Bombs in the Jordan Hotels where U.S. forces were staying.

Or are you talking about attacks on the homeland?

If that's what you're talking about then I guess you would say that President Clinton had a "perfect" record on preventing terrorist attacks since 1993 since he didn't have another attack while in office?
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