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Old 01-21-08, 07:44 PM   #41
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Re: If you care about civil rights you should be a Republican

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It's a Civil Right when Republicans support somthing, it's a favor to special interest groups when Democrats support somthing.
I find it remarkable that someone, anyone would actually believe that Republicans are far more responsible for the Civil Rights America enjoys today.

Considering that the Republican party is the party of white Christian, anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, anti-immigrant, anti-separation of church and state it is incredible to think all of the things I just listed that in the inverse are long-standing Democratic principles yet Republicans have a stronger pro-civil rights record?

I love the absurdity of the argument and how blind some people can be to the truth....I guess the real world is DENIAL....
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Old 01-21-08, 07:45 PM   #42
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in 40 years when gays are equal citizens conservatives will deny the role they played in slowing the process of civil rights
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If two men want to live together and call themselves married, they can. No one will stop them. This is their freedom. This is their right. Try doing that in other places, other times, and you'll quickly find out what civil rights are.

Gender composition of couples the states and the federal government choose to privilege have distinct purposes. Two men living together does not serve those purposes.

Further, if gays want to earn the respect of government leaders as to their ability to uphold the point of a marriage and adoption (fidelity, proper raising of children), why don't they show some of those traits in their gatherings in public?

Don't take my word for it, read this gay man's blog:

Gay Patriot » Gay Marriage
Ya know, this is a non-issue with me.

I could care less what gays do.

And it is certainly no ones business who marry's who except the two people that are getting married.
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Old 01-21-08, 08:29 PM   #44
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Ya know, this is a non-issue with me.

I could care less what gays do.

And it is certainly no ones business who marry's who except the two people that are getting married.

I know you don't care. "Nothing to do with me" attitudes are the product of a long formula of television, video games, "education", and drugs.

Try a wider look at where these types of values are leading society. It's probably too much to ask, however.
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I know you don't care. "Nothing to do with me" attitudes are the product of a long formula of television, video games, "education", and drugs.

Try a wider look at where these types of values are leading society. It's probably too much to ask, however.
This has nothing to do with "...television, video games, "education", and drugs", you don't have any right telling someone else how to live.
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Old 01-22-08, 10:25 PM   #46
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I know you don't care. "Nothing to do with me" attitudes are the product of a long formula of television, video games, "education", and drugs.

Try a wider look at where these types of values are leading society. It's probably too much to ask, however.
Spare me the typical blame the entertainment industry rant. If you want to blame someone blame the parents. No matter what social conservatives think, the constitution has no part that says that the government is required to legislate morality. Morality is taught by the parents, not the government. Gay rights is a church state issue in my mind because there is no legit argument to not letting them marry or having the same rights as the rest of us do. It doesnt affect your personal rights and if you think it does you have insecurities that you have to deal with.
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Old 01-23-08, 01:56 AM   #47
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This has nothing to do with "...television, video games, "education", and drugs", you don't have any right telling someone else how to live.

For liberals, not making moral judgments is the very essence of science. On that theory, Howard Stern should be curing cancer and inventing cold fusion any day now.

By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, druggies, liars, weasels, and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites.

We live in an America in which soccer moms swoon over Bill Clinton, date Drew Peterson awaiting likely murder charges, and have Larry Flint as a cultural icon.

And yes, chevydriver, it does come down to the parents. Conservatives talk about family values, not big government.
It's the liberals who want to teach your kids about homosexuality in the second grade, hand out condoms in elementary school, make sure your 13 year old daughter gets to abort her baby without you finding out, and omit God from the pledge of Allegiance or any other reference to him.

Liberals have used their control of television, movies, glossy magazines, and newspapers to create a charming world in which women are enticed to behave like pigs, have sex without consequences, prance about naked and abort children.

Liberals hate society and want to bring it down to reinforce their sense of invincibility.
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Re: If you care about civil rights you should be a Republican

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For liberals, not making moral judgments is the very essence of science.
For conservatives making moral judgments is more important than science. And dictating to others what their morals should be is what they do.

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By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, druggies, liars, weasels, and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites.
And by promoting 'morality' and being discovered being liars, weasels, philanderers, criminals, and corruption-laden, conservatives show themselves to be hypocrites. And worse, by refusing to take responsibility for these behaviors when caught, they show themselves to be cowards.

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And yes, chevydriver, it does come down to the parents. Conservatives talk about family values, not big government.
And yet many do not practice what they preach, instead they practice the religion of hypocrisy.

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It's the liberals who want to teach your kids about homosexuality in the second grade, hand out condoms in elementary school, make sure your 13 year old daughter gets to abort her baby without you finding out, and omit God from the pledge of Allegiance or any other reference to him.
It's the conservatives that advocate discrimination against gays, and see them, quite inaccurately, as being 'immoral', it is the conservatives who, even with evidence squarely against them, advocate for the idiotic system of 'abstinence only' sex education, it is conservatives care more about preventing abortions than doing anything to assist those babies when they are born, and it is conservatives that want to destroy the Constitution by eliminating the delineation between church and state, and making this country a Theocracy.

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Liberals have used their control of television, movies, glossy magazines, and newspapers to create a charming world in which women are enticed to behave like pigs, have sex without consequences, prance about naked and abort children.
Conservatives have used their control to curb civil liberties, attack anyone who disagrees with the government and call them unpatriotic (trashing the First Amendment), and want to create a totally reactionary society where the only opinions allowed are theirs.

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Liberals hate society and want to bring it down to reinforce their sense of invincibility.
Conservatives hate society and want to bring it down to help reduce their insecurity.

Keep making your ridiculous overgeneralizations.
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Re: If you care about civil rights you should be a Republican

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The word "rights" is the real nature of the problem

A political party doesn't care about rights, they care about viability - which is often times directly opposed to the concept of rights.

No politician cares about rights as much as Dr. Paul, and he is running as a republican, so in a sense, I do agree with the thread title.
I would like to disagree with that. While the vast majority of politicians don't care about rights, occasionally you have people like LBJ who signed the civil rights act even though he knew it'd cost his party the south for years to come.


You know, Spin, we're still waiting for an explanation of how Gay marriage isn't a civil right. Thus far you've dodged the question.
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Old 01-23-08, 06:19 AM   #50
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It's the liberals who want to teach your kids about homosexuality in the second grade, hand out condoms in elementary school, make sure your 13 year old daughter gets to abort her baby without you finding out, and omit God from the pledge of Allegiance or any other reference to him.
HOMOPHOBE ALERT! HOMOPHOBE ALERT! How evil it is to teach anyone at anytime about those damn immoral "homosexuals"! Give me a break! It's 19th century attitudes like yours that get us into wars, divide the nation, ruin the economy and make America the laughingstock of the modern world.

Your views are much closer to orthodox Islam then they are to first world consciousness. It's interesting how whiny ultra-right wing extremists such as you rail against Islamic values and then in the next breath breach personal restrictions and penalties equal in absurdity to the most strict Islamic customs that you supposedly despise.

Which is it? The most dangerous people in America are those that support President Bush and his policies...look how Bush has destroyed America!

You and "Your Kind" better start packing and finding another country to live in because in about 362 days America rejoins the Modern World as a world leader of the 21st century and you and your Scopes Monkey Trial Scientific Geniuses will be shoved away and into obscurity...hopefully forever....
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