Hatuey

Let me get this straight. You point out the constitution. Yet when I point out that the lands most qualified interpreters of the constitution agree with me you say thats not the point? Talk about misdirection.

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Hatuey

Not if it's true. Your continued ignorance of the fact that historically there hasn't been a single community that has Americanized within the first generation is proof of this.

Which as I said is no different then any other immigrant group that has ever come to this country. The first generation have usually chosen to segregate themselves in an effort to keep ties to it's country of origin. The second generation is the one that joins the American community. This is the case with every single community that has immigrated to this country.

The large majority do. Case and point the Polish/German ghettos of the 1860s and the Italian ghettos of the 1900s.

False and I've explained why in every single post I've typed. Why do you continue to push it?

This is false. The groups that "handicapped" themselves at the turn of the century are today the people that run cities. Who would have thought in 1904 that New York would have an Italian mayor? Not many.

Once more this is false. What I am simply saying is that your expectations of 1st generation immigrants aren't realistic considering the already established pattern that immigrants in this country take.

I guess the only way to find out is to move a sizable number of Americans down to Mexico. Until then.

And that is great for you. However comparing yourself to a 1st generation immigrant is a bit of an unfair match up isn't it?

No I don't subsidize anybody. I've made every single dime I have on my own. However it's no skin off my back if a person who's only been in this country for a few years can't speak English. I've understood the path immigrant communities in this country take and realize that it's only a matter of time before they become Americanized. Usually within the 2nd generation. You know...that one generation that was born and raised here? My wife is a 2nd generation Cuban-American. She was born in California to Cuban parents. My wife barely has any family ties to Cuba but her parents call there on daily basis. My wife barely speaks Spanish on the daily and it's gotten to the point where my Spanish is better then hers(I had to learn it so her father would approve of me). My wife is a huge football/tennis fan(sports which are irrelevant in Cuba). She has a basic knowledge of how the situation in Cuba is but she doesn't identify with Cubans in Cuba. See how it works? It's not 1st generation immigrants that join the culture of their adopted country. It's their children.

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UtahBill

What a rant....

You are assuming I am ignorant of history, I am not. In fact, it is a hobby. I am saying that it is THEIR responsiblity to assimilate, in one generation if possible, in the 2nd if the first are too lazy to try.

What does an italian mayor have to do with it? Was he first generation? Aren't we talking about first generation?

If any Americans are going to "be moved down to Mexico" , who will they be? That was not your best retort, not that any of them are commendable in any way, at least not in this topic.

You seem to think that based on the experience of first generation immigrants over a hundred years ago, todays immigrants are too stupid to assimilate. Maybe you used the words "established pattern" a bit too loosely? Is that a natural law or something?
I think that those who don't, just don't want to. That is OK, but if it impacts them in a negative way, it is their own fault.

BTW, I know of many people who have gone to foreign countries, and they learned the language in under a year, with part of it being done in military language schools before they go, and the rest after they get there. They probably use the saturation method.
Works for non-english speakers as well, but only if they want to.
And one more time, if they don't want to, they don't have to, but the rest of us should not have to bend over backwards for those who handicap themselves....

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Khayembii Communique

Actually the sign is specifically talking about HR4437. That is "the law" that it is talking about specifically and not law in general.

I didn't say anything about majority.

MC.no.spin

If that is the case why not put that on the sign?


Minority then? Either shoe fits to the point I'm making as regards change of law because society doesn't like something.

Khayembii Communique

Some people did while others didn't, and it generally wasn't necessary because everyone knew what law it was talking about. You know, those huge marches regarding that specific law where these signs were displayed?

I said "society" not "the majority" or "the minority".