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Originally Posted by Billo_Really We are not going to stop terrorism until we start looking at our role in causing terrorism. It's irresponible to think that we go without sin. That we do not, on some level, have a hand in this.
My freedoms are shrinking because of the hysteria that got the Patriot Act passed, the arrogance that were the big bad USA and we can do whatever we want with impunity and the complete stupidity and narcissism of my countryman in electing the little corporate bitches that are outsourcing all our jobs.
Back to my stance on torture.
There is nothing you can say to me that can justify torturing anyone, for any reason, at anytime, for any information and for any lives that might be saved. I don't care if it would save the life of Jesus Christ. No torture. Not now. Not ever. To anyone. Anytime. For any reason. No torture.
What were giving up is everything this country stood for. Because this road were going down is making all the other troops that lost there lives have now died in vane. |
This is what I'm talking about. Just how do we cause terrorism? I've written on our contribution to the problem. Let's hear what you think you know? I don't want to hear that we "drop bombs all over the populous and cause massive deaths," because that is a stupid thing to say and highly untrue. Let's hear why you think we are the cause of Islamic extremism for the last thirty years......
Again..this is what I'm talking about. Just how are your freedoms shrinking? It seems to me that the hysteria is mostly coming from people who are caught in a tidal wave of panic over nothing. How are you suffering from the Patriot Act? Outsourcing jobs? This is a President Bush thing? This isn't a free-trade or free-enterprise thing? Which, by the way, is one of your freedoms that you are so dramatically concerned about losing. It seems to me like you want to pick and choose which freedoms to strip and which to keep. How egotistical of you. Just how have your freedoms been "shrinking" away?
I didn't say anything to you about torture. You have your opinion...I have my opinion based of reality. There it ends.
Died in vain? Is your life different now than it was 5 years ago? Have you been tossed in a Gulag? Have you been oppressed for your beliefs? Have your phone lines been tapped? Are you under surveillence? Have you been imprisoned for practicing something after the Patriot Act that you have always practiced before? 24 million people are no longer under Saddam and have a chance to create a future that you presently enjoy. A dictator that was very much a symptom of the Middle East no longer has any influence for any other dictator or tyrant in the Middle East. Until the region embraces a social change, terrorism will continue to flourish and leaving Saddam in power would have just encouraged others to defy America. Died in Vain?...maybe in your eyes, but not to the eyes that matter.
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