Is waterboarding torture?

rsixing · 02-14-08, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

I am lookint for this:

"by the Third Convention and by this Protocol."

You asked me if I considered them EPW's and I referenced this portion as an explanation of what I considered them. If you are looking for something within the GCIII and it's protocols to trump my opine then it's up to you to find it. I will entertain your reference but I will not do your work for you.

americanwoman · 02-14-08, 12:11 PM

Just disgusting:

White House to veto Senate ban on waterboarding - Yahoo! News

White House to veto Senate ban on waterboarding

Quote:

Perino said the United States does not currently use waterboarding, a simulated drowning technique denounced by rights groups as torture, even though the CIA has admitted using the technique in the past.

She reiterated the administration's assertion last week that it would not rule out the use of such techniques in the future.

"Currently under the law it is not (allowed)," she said. "As we said last week as well, we are not going to talk about what may or may not be lawful in the future."

Quote:

The likely Republican nominee, Arizona Senator John McCain, voted against the bill. The former prisoner of war however said that his vote was consistent with his anti-torture stance.

"We always supported allowing the CIA to use extra measures," he said. "I believe waterboarding is illegal and should be banned," McCain said.

rsixing · 02-14-08, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

I am lookint for this:

"by the Third Convention and by this Protocol."

Rev. I apologize for misreading your posting. I have found a link that I hope will meet your need from Wikipedia. And again I publically apologize for my lack of reading skill and the defensive tone of my response.

Third Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bones · 02-15-08, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by americanwoman

Just disgusting:

White House to veto Senate ban on waterboarding - Yahoo! News

White House to veto Senate ban on waterboarding

But didn't you know? The US Government does not advocate torture!

Reverend_Hellh0und · 02-15-08, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bones

But didn't you know? The US Government does not advocate torture!

Waterboarding is not torture.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsixing

Rev. I apologize for misreading your posting. I have found a link that I hope will meet your need from Wikipedia. And again I publically apologize for my lack of reading skill and the defensive tone of my response.

Third Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

no problem brother. I saw nothing wrong with your posts.

What I am trying to surmise is how the term enemy combatant releases one from the geneva convention. As it in reality seems to do.

Billo_Really · 02-15-08, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Waterboarding is not torture.

no problem brother. I saw nothing wrong with your posts.

What I am trying to surmise is how the term enemy combatant releases one from the geneva convention. As it in reality seems to do.

No one is "released" from the GC.

Only an inhuman ******* would want that!

rsixing · 02-15-08, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

no problem brother. I saw nothing wrong with your posts.

Thank you Rev.

Quote:

What I am trying to surmise is how the term enemy combatant releases one from the geneva convention. As it in reality seems to do.

It's actually not enemy combatant but "unlawful combatant" which is used by our administration to hold combatants and deny them the rights guaranteed under the GC. I think in one of my prior post I included a cut and paste concerning that.

Here's the link and I hope this is what you are looking for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant

rsixing · 02-15-08, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billo_Really

No one is "released" from the GC.

Only an inhuman ******* would want that!

I don't think that's accurate. Some are excluded from the GC by broadening the scope of the term combatant to now include "unlawful combatant" by the Military Commissions Act of 2006 which is used to deny the basic rights guaranteed in the GC to certain enemy.

dixon76710 · 02-15-08, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsixing

I don't think that's accurate. Some are excluded from the GC by broadening the scope of the term combatant to now include "unlawful combatant" by the Military Commissions Act of 2006 which is used to deny the basic rights guaranteed in the GC to certain enemy.

Such illegal combatants were always excluded from the POW protections of the Geneva convention. In the 70s, the additional protocols included them for the countries who have ratified it. We have not.

rsixing · 02-15-08, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dixon76710

Such illegal combatants were always excluded from the POW protections of the Geneva convention. In the 70s, the additional protocols included them for the countries who have ratified it. We have not.

I'm not certain how far we go back identifying "terrorists" as "unlawful combatants". I would be interested to find out and if you know please advise.

View Poll Results: Is waterboarding torture?
Yes	132	50.57%
No	129	49.43%
Voters: 261. You may not vote on this poll

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode