Is waterboarding torture?

dixon76710 · 02-09-08, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by John1234

To be able to classify any PoW as a terrorist at will, then torture them all... that is immoral, illegal, wrong, against god, and just simply insane.

So, then perhaps, to classify 700 POWs out of thousands of POWs as illegal combatants, and to so called "torture" three of them by pouring water over their face, shows a considerable amount of restraint against an enemy who would rather dismember by bomb 3000 American civilians.

cherokee · 02-09-08, 10:42 PM

This isn't a perfect world, it never has been. With Islamic wack-jobs willing to kill 10's if not 100's of people in the name of Allah to kill one infidel I don’t see a problem using extreme measures to gain Intel.
I have some education in psychology, don't fool yourself nothing in your head is safe.

Now will someone answer my question?
Would you allow torture on someone like bin laden?

Yes I have signaled out Islam again, until I see some other religious group carrying out the daily suicide bombings and murders in Allah’s name I will continue to point out Islam atrocities.

Billo_Really · 02-09-08, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cherokee

This isn't a perfect world, it never has been. With Islamic wack-jobs willing to kill 10's if not 100's of people in the name of Allah to kill one infidel I don’t see a problem using extreme measures to gain Intel.
I have some education in psychology, don't fool yourself nothing in your head is safe.

Now will someone answer my question?
Would you allow torture on someone like bin laden?

Yes I have signaled out Islam again, until I see some other religious group carrying out the daily suicide bombings and murders in Allah’s name I will continue to point out Islam atrocities.

You mean "singled" out Islam...

And no, no torture on anyone. Not UBL, not alleged terrorists, not even y.............ummm.............yeah, not even you.

Torturing people brings us down to their level. It makes us no different than they are. Which is a position that you seem to be more familiar with.

Billo_Really · 02-09-08, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dixon76710

So, then perhaps, to classify 700 POWs out of thousands of POWs as illegal combatants, and to so called "torture" three of them by pouring water over their face, shows a considerable amount of restraint against an enemy who would rather dismember by bomb 3000 American civilians.

"illegal combatant" is a bull**** term created to protect the President from prosecution of war crimes. I reject it and everything it stands for.

Billo_Really · 02-09-08, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

People who cheer for rocket attacks by the enemy and that are willing to sacrifice millions of thier fellow countrymen for thier politics are a clear example of how sick some in our society have become.

And people who lie to prove their point never had a point at all.

cherokee · 02-09-08, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

You mean "singled" out Islam...

And no, no torture on anyone. Not UBL, not alleged terrorists, not even y.............ummm.............yeah, not even you.

Torturing people brings us down to their level. It makes us no different than they are. Which is a position that you seem to be more familiar with.

Yes I have traffic signals on my mind. With over 47 signalization projects going on in my district its hard to think of anything else.

But you’re wrong, sometimes you have to stoop down to your enemies level. I don’t believe we have ever faced a group like the Islamic fanatics. You pretend to live in a perfect world bill, I have news for you its not the real world.

Spend some time in the Middle East. See how they live and what they are willing do to each other then get back to me on it.

Billo_Really · 02-09-08, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

The question is asked. Billio will you answer this one or will you as usual make some sort of dismissive retreat comment?

So you want to keep calling me names...

Isn't it about time you snitched up and reported somebody over a bogus issue?

dixon76710 · 02-09-08, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

"illegal combatant" is a bull**** term created to protect the President from prosecution of war crimes. I reject it and everything it stands for.

Read a history book or something.

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illegal combatant (plural illegal combatants)

A person who engages in combat without meeting the requirements for a lawful belligerent according to the laws of war as specified in the Third Geneva Convention.
[edit] Synonyms
unlawful combatant
unprivileged combatant
illegal combatant - Wiktionary

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The Third Geneva Convention (or GCIII) of 1949,
Third Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Billo_Really · 02-09-08, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dixon76710

Read a history book or something.

I was refering to Alberto Gonzales re-definition of the term.

CaptainCourtesy · 02-09-08, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dixon76710

They should prosecute. I cant think of a better demonstration of their hypocracy for all to see.

How would this be hypocrisy?

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cherokee Devil Dog Join Date: Aug 2005 Last Seen: 09-11-09 09:58 PM Posts: 7,486 Thanks: 423 Thanked 816 Times in 512 Posts Total Awards: 1	Re: Is waterboarding torture? This isn't a perfect world, it never has been. With Islamic wack-jobs willing to kill 10's if not 100's of people in the name of Allah to kill one infidel I don’t see a problem using extreme measures to gain Intel. I have some education in psychology, don't fool yourself nothing in your head is safe. Now will someone answer my question? Would you allow torture on someone like bin laden? Yes I have signaled out Islam again, until I see some other religious group carrying out the daily suicide bombings and murders in Allah’s name I will continue to point out Islam atrocities.

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