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Old 10-23-07, 11:54 AM   #161
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Old 10-23-07, 12:17 PM   #162
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I don't think we're liable for false intelligence from Canada, I think we're liable for extraditing him to a country where he might be tortured.
We're not liable. See below.


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You tell me, since when do we extradite terror suspects like this man to non-allied "state sponsors of terror" such as Syria? Why was Maher Arar extradited to Syria?
Since he was Syrian born:

Maher Arar

So what he became a Canadian citizen, Canada threw the ball in our court. We sent him back to his country of origin.

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Assuming that pre-Iraq intelligence didn't have the credibility problems it did, those were reasonable conclusions to make at the time.
There were no credibilty problems.

Saddam used chemical weapons on the Kurds.

Saddam used chemical weapons on the Iranians in the Iran/Iraq war.

U.N. inspectors counted, inventoried, tagged, then sealed the bunkers that contained the WMD's hours before the onslaught of the war.

US intel confirmed the WMD's.

British intel confirmed the WMD's.

Israel confirmed the WMD's.

Saddam buried weapons, ammo, artillery shells and equipment in bunkers throughout Iraq.

When we captured Saddam, he had buried himself.

Reasonable conclusion here?

Just because we haven't sent massive teams out to dig up the entire country means, we haven't found WMD's, yet


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Of course, but which is more reasonable?

1. We extradited a terror suspect to Syria for no apparent reason, knowing that he might be tortured, and he just happened to be tortured contrary to what we intended to happen, or,

2. We extradited a terror suspect to Syria so he could be interrogated in a way that the CIA couldn't do here.
You didn't list #3.

3. We sent him back to Syria to show others if they make our terrorist watch list, they too could be denied a safe haven in our country, free from retaliation from their own governments.
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Old 10-23-07, 01:05 PM   #163
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I'm asking you to show me proof beyond a reasonable doubt that this man was tortured by the Syrians at the direct request of the United States.
Yet you accepted Bush's claims that Saddam had WMDs and that a damned war was justified when most definitely there was way more than "Reasonable Doubt."

I get it! If the argument suits you then reasonable doubt is irrelevant. But when your violence producing heroes are exposed you then demand proof that we, the USA are torturing and asking for it!

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Old 10-23-07, 01:17 PM   #164
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Just because we haven't sent massive teams out to dig up the entire country means, we haven't found WMD's, yet


It's fuc king unbelievable that anyone would write such utter ridiculousness! YET! OMG! Talk about Chicken Little syndrome!

How many Bushies does it take to find a WMD? None....we've already found them!
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I guess it hinges on whether or not there were reasonable grounds to believe he'd be tortured..

There is no hinge. Universally accepted established legal practices between all nations would be a nice hinge.
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There is no hinge.
How do you figure that? Weren't you getting at whether the current policy is in compliance with established regulations? If not, what did you mean by this: "I did not say the US was free of guilt merely following the current legal policy right or wrong. Bureaucracy is a pain in the you know what."

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Universally accepted established legal practices between all nations would be a nice hinge.
Yes, in a perfect world it would. But in reality it's like you said, "we cannot get these countries to comply with UN demands all the time. Why expect them to keep their word?"

I'm having trouble figuring out where you're coming from. First you mentioned that we got assurances from Syria that he wouldn't be tortured. Then you said the fact that these assurances are not reliable is "not the issue" because you're merely following the "current legal policy right or wrong." Now when I say that the question of whether the legal policy is right or wrong hinges on whether or not a specific condition in the international regulations was met, you say there is no hinge. Color me confused, heh!
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Old 10-29-07, 08:52 PM   #167
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How do you figure that? Weren't you getting at whether the current policy is in compliance with established regulations? :2:
Not really. The regulations arent established. Maybe they should be. Tradition and custom simply arent enforced.
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I'm having trouble figuring out where you're coming from. First you mentioned that we got assurances from Syria that he wouldn't be tortured. Then you said the fact that these assurances are not reliable is "not the issue" because you're merely following the "current legal policy right or wrong." Now when I say that the question of whether the legal policy is right or wrong hinges on whether or not a specific condition in the international regulations was met, you say there is no hinge. Color me confused, heh!
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