Reverend_Hellh0und

You are just showing that you are a shining jewel of collosal ignorance on the issue here Joe.


People like you describe do it all the time at all our airports. You lose/

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oldreliable67

I work about two blocks from the White House and have done so for a number of years. I often take breaks by walking around Lafayette Park, just across Pennsylvania Ave from the White House. I often see folks wearing all the things you mentioned on these walks. I have seen none being approached by the police, nor do I recall having read of any such in the local media.

I often see folks protesting one thing or another. The only times of which I am aware that the police have intervened has been a trespass attempt (i.e., climbing the fence surrounding the White House) or a demonstration that violated the terms of its permit.

I fly often, and have not witnessed the kind of behavior to which you refer, though I have read reports of folks getting into trouble in airports due to the apprehensions of other passengers. The case of the "Flying Imams" comes to mind. In another instance, a group of middle-eastern looking and Arabic speaking men were asked to deplane after unruly conduct and apparent alcohol usage. When the behavior of an individual or a group causes sufficient suspicion in the rest of the passengers and/or airline employees, the airlines are perfectly within their right to ask the offending individual/group to deplane until the safety of the passengers and crew can be assured.

You really need to offer something to substantiate your assertions.

MSgt

History is relevant. But you are hardly using history to deal with the problems of the day. You are using it to exonerate the problems of the day.

Try to get this straight....Muslims use the Koran to justify their hatreds and their violence. Muslims refer to themselves as Islamic to the cheers of millions of other Muslims. Your attempt to label analysis as "Islamophobia" is weakness. If you wish to praise mainstream Islam for its many angelic deeds....ask yourself where the great modern Islamic army is that is chasing their criminal elements like Hezbollah or Bin Laden. Ask yourself why the OIC (Organization of Islamic Countries) voices of the oppression of Muslims in other countries, but doesn't even whisper about thre civil rights injustices of Muslims under Muslim governments. Ask yourself why a civilization that preaches on the community of Islam does nothing about an Islamic Sharia run government that slaughters millions of non-Arabs and non-Muslims in Sudan? And if you wish to blame the West for keeping them down then ask yourself how a civilization who refuses to allow 55 percent of their population (women) to contribute is supposed to compete with anyone. Their prescriptions are their own.

Despite your eagerness to portray an alternate reality, they villify themselves and make no apologies for it. They have people in the West too eager to do it for them.

They demonize themselves. Or have you not payed attention to the very determined voices and overly obnoxious attempts by the terrorists and their cheerleders to label themselves as Islamists as they slaughter people not like them and even their own kind who don't subscribe to their brand?


The fact is that none of this hatred started in 2003....2001...or even 1979. It started in the early twentieth century (Bin LAden makes notes of this event more than a few times) and gained speed in the late 40s and early 50s throuygh a man named Qutb. As far as the failed state their civilization is in...look to the events of 4 centuries ago when a man named Wahhab joined forces with a man named Saud during a global explosion of international trade across oceans.

Your protests seek to protect the Sunni in Iraq, which were the minority who brutalized the majority Shia. Your protests seem to favor the enemy who prefer empowerment over others. If you knew anything about Islam, you would know that Islam is as diverse as Christiandom. Out of their many sects and cultures, your protests favor the oppressors. Your pathetic accusations that our government holds contempt for the many "Xtian sects and cultures" is beyond even Islamic rhetoric. Were this true, we would not have empowered Muslims in Iraq. Were this true we would not have empowered Muslims in Afghanistan. Were this true, we would not have protected (only for the time being) Muslims in Bosnia. Were this true, we would not have protected Muslims in Kuwait and beyond. Were this true, we would not have organized Muslims from all over the region against the Soviets in the 80's. And were this true, we would be preaching Palestinian annihilation instead of peaceful co-existence (something Arabs don't do on their side).

I can offer you plenty of book sources if you are actually interested in learning about the Middle East. These sources include Western writers and thinkers as well as Middle Eastern thinkers and Muslims from all over.

The minute the West stops trying to look at this through Western eyes in accordane to our definitions of humanity is the very minute we start forming a solution.

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MSgt

Don't you see anything wrong here? Is there some great logical reason that Americans are able to seperate themselves from what their government is doing, but seek to define another government by the mood of their people? Is there some great lack of understanding on my part for why people seem to think they can dismiss the terrorist funding government of Iran because there's some nice civilans walking the streets of Tehran? I guess since we have some nice families in America that people like Saddam Hussein should have had nothing to worry about, huh? Or does this exonerating game only work for the preservation of the enemy?

The fact is that over 65 percent of Iran is under the age of thirty. The fact is that the vast majority of Iranians want Western inspired influences and are more than aggravated with their current government and the Majlis that controls it. The vast majority of Iranians know very well of the brutalities Khomeini prescribed to Islam within their borders and they want their MTV (Ahmenadejad banned Western influences like music and film after taking office - it would seem that like the youth did for Khomeini, they can't get away from supporting their own oppression).

Unfortunately, we aren't facing the Iranian population (something that would be costly given that they are nationalistic like Americans and would fight for that reason alone - Islam would be a tool for the fundamentalists who thrive via the oppression). We are facing the Iranian government. A government that supports Hezbollah openly and publicly makes announcements of destruction toward another country. A government that hangs people over their sexual preference. A government that prescribes oppression and religious duty even in their Tehran university. I'm afraid nice Iranians in the streets have nothing to do with it.

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MSgt

This is just desperate. Probably even stupid. There is enough controversy and argument to go around without having to make ridiculous comments like this. It doesn't exactly help your protest. This is why protestors always run themselves into brickwalls. Exaggerations destroy the credibility of any legitimate grievance.

The Middle East is famous for scapegoating, exxagerating, and plain lying their way to justifications and hope. And they are largely ignorant with religion leading their way. There is simply no excuse for people in the West needing to rely upon exaggerations to protest something.

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akyron

Sure there is. Basic truth wont accomplish their goals. They are mandated to seek other means.

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Reverend_Hellh0und

My money is him posting some asinine picture and changing the subject.

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