oldreliable67

Yes, it is.

But I have yet to see in any other than a fundamentalist Muslim country, courtesy of videotape, a woman forced to kneel and be shot in the back of the head in a soccer stadium.

VTA

No one cares about how civilians live in Iran, only the false notion that everything is going so well there and that America has no reason for it's friction.

I can tell you unequivocally, you know nothing of Iran and it's populations conditions. Chomsky might, but he is a friend of communism and facism and rather likes the way things are going in that section of the world, so being the linguistic professor that he is, he is going to beautifully twist words that will dazzle the listener and have them believe his nonsense.

I'll tell you again, Iranians don't flee Iran because the 'average citizen is safe and free to travel'. I know this personally from an Iranian, who had to meet his family in Turkey, because of fears for his and his family's safety.

He remembers the days before the 'Revolution' and life under the supposed dictator Shah, when the 'average citizen was safe and free' to walk the streets dressed any damned way they chose. Listened to what ever music they liked and ate what they wanted.

The only people the 'dictator' Shah suppressed were the Islamists, trying to pave the way for their Imam, Khomeini.

Stop parroting the tripe of a bitter communist, trapped in a Democracy. His petulance might be wrapped in a pretty package, but that doesn't make it true.

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akyron

Your entire premise is flawed as those tried and convicted are sentenced.
Those reported and caught are prosecuted.

On the other side of the coin

"Human Rights Watch’s report, based on dozens of interviews with victims, social workers, lawyers and police chiefs in the West Bank and Gaza, said abusers in the Palestinian territories are granted virtual immunity.

Rapists who marry their victims are not prosecuted, it said, and such deals are often arranged by the families, tribal leaders and police.


Even those assigned to protect the victims often push for such an outcome. The director of the West Bank’s only shelter for teenage girls is quoted as saying she arranged five such marriages in her six-year tenure."


The difference is the violence and abuse is institutionalized and accepted by culture and religion.

4 witnesses? How about a simple DNA test instead? Infinitely more reliable.

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Fundamentalist violence and repression of women is never far from the surface of any of the three Abrahamic religions. How many women have you seen burned at the stake or hung as in Fundy Xtian Salem, MA?

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akyron

None because it happened about 3 centuries ago and was oversensationalized anyway.


This year

Teenage girl stoned to death

2005
woman stoned to death
"During the Taleban's rule, women were regularly stoned to death for adultery"

Hajiyeh Esmaelvand was killed in such a manner in December 2004
Iran stoning-

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oldreliable67

Witches burned in Salem? None in the last, oh, 100 years or so.

The veneer of civilization is thin, indeed, and there is no denying that violence against women is a huge societal problem. But nowhere in recent times is the veneer as thin, to the point of being nonexistent, as in areas dominated by radical Muslim theology and sharia. It is as if the followers of the three Abrahamic religions, as you put it, have become much more enlightened over the centuries, while radical Islamists have regressed. Indeed, a major part of the thrust of radical Islam is to reject modernity.

Moreover, there seems to be a distinction that should be recognized between violence for social, non-religious reasons (i.e., simple criminal behavior, sans religious motivation or instruction), versus violence inflicted for religious reasons (i.e., carrying out the instructions of Allah or some perceived deity). The majority of violence against women in non-radical Muslim areas is of the former variety, I believe, while in radical Muslim areas, it is the latter.

Is one motivation qualitatively "better" or "worse" than the other? One being more of a "social" problem while the other has a religious motivation suggests (to me, anyway), that institutionalized religious motivation is by far the more serious. Mere bad behavior, though serious but not often fatal, can be addressed much more readily than religious fanaticism, which as we have seen, often results in death by stoning or public execution.

VTA

The irony that you have to traverse a few hundred years to make a comparison with the acts of people comiiting such things in 2007 is lost on you?

I suppose we could justify a grown man crapping in diapers and drinking from a bottle, because we all did it at one time in our own growth stages of life...

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MSgt

Saddam did not attack Iran on any encouragement from anyone. This is a lie (something I have grown to expect from you). Our involvement came later, when our precious foriegn policy of "stability" was threatened. This would be the same precious foriegn policy of "stability" that celebrated the re-establishment of Saddam Hussein after the Gulf War. That morally corrupt policy we inherited from the Europeans has been vanquished and sad to say, it took a 9/11 to do it.

The invasion of Saudi Arabia is indeed a step to take in the future.

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MSgt

....With the convenience of legality and accepted devine justification through mainstream Islam. But, such things are no problem when we have a husband smacking his wife in Idaho.

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MSgt

As far as I know, nobody here has "seen" this. But if we were to borrow some history, we could state that 14 were hanged. You just have a talent for spiralling out of control don't you? What does the Salem Witch Hunt have to do with today? Why is it that your kind only has enough strength to borrow historical events to forgive the crimes of the present?

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