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Old 11-16-07, 02:57 PM   #311
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Re: Two of 'Jena Six' defendants present BET award

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Your quote from the prosecutor appears no where in the article you linked to. And I provided the link along with the quote I provided.
You are evading the facts. Linked that sometime ago. Now where is yours
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Old 11-16-07, 03:14 PM   #312
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Re: Two of 'Jena Six' defendants present BET award

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You are evading the facts. Linked that sometime ago. Now where is yours
Still at the end of the copied text where it has always been einstein. Now where is yours?

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Here is a likely more accurrate description of the events at the party, compared to the BS propaganda that Chanda and citizen are trying to pass off as "facts"
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“The facility was rented by a woman who was throwing a party for
her daughter,” Arbogast said. “During the course of that party that
night, where both blacks and whites attended, Robert Bailey, Jr.
and some other friends came to the party seeking a mutual friend
inside the party.”
Walters said that according to the statement given by Robert
Bailey, Jr., he was asked to leave by the person who was giving the
party.
“My understanding of the case is that the mother was going back
inside to get the friend and the defendant (Justin Sloan) comes out
and hits him (Bailey),” Walters said. “A scuffle ensues and then
Mr. Bailey leaves. All of this took place outside of the fair barn.”
The DA noted that this was not a fight because Robert Bailey did
not swing at Sloan or fight back.
“He did not do anything,” Walters said. “Robert Bailey, Jr. was the
victim of this incident. He was hit by the defendant’s fist, knocked
down, some type of scuffle occurred, then Mr. Bailey left.”
The police and DA noted that contrary to reports since the incident
that a beer bottle was used in the attack of Bailey, Bailey’s own
statement written after the incident said that he was hit only with
the fist of Sloan.
“There was no statement given by the victim at that time that any
weapon was used in the attack,” Walters said. “There is nothing in
his statement that says ‘he hit me with a beer bottle.’ He did not go
to the hospital for stitches and there is no medical evidence other
than this was a simple battery.”
Walters said that Sloan was arrested for simple battery, prosecuted
for simple battery, pled guilty to simple battery, and was sentenced
for simple battery.
“As part of his sentence, he was made to apologize to Robert
Bailey in open court,” Walters said. “In sumassion, it started as a
simple battery, the evidence supported a simple battery, and it was
prosecuted as a simple battery. It was only after the fact, after the
‘Jena Six’ began to receive national attention that I heard that a
beer bottle was involved and stitches were involved. So, I checked
with the local hospital and there was no medical evidence to
support the accusation.”
http://www.thejenatimes.net/Chronolo..._of-Events.pdf
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Old 11-16-07, 03:15 PM   #313
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So when did this become an invitation only party and how was protecting a womwn. You make this up as you go along. all i am asking you to do is look at the facts. You refused because you have made up your mind that the black are fully guilty and coused the whole problem and the whites are fully inocent. I say that the fire was fueling from the original noose hanging and got out of hand. The white kids who beat up the black kid is just as guilty as the black kids who beat up the white kids. The punishment for the black kids was excessive. White kids who bring guns to school and shoot up the school don't get tried as an adult so why did Mychal Bell get tried as an adult for a fight in which no one was serverely injured. Justice is not equal. Bell, who is being held without bond. This was excessive. His previous cases were adjudicated so there was no need to keep him in jail and try him as an adult. There are too many facts frabricated. To made the black kids in this incident the demons is racist.
Your so busy looking at the friggin' color of people's skins that your failing to see the facts.

I hope you feel stupid now reading the information contained within Media myths about the Jena 6 | csmonitor.com
And telling ME that im "making this up as I go along" just because I refuse to fall in line with the mainstream in screaming racism before knowing the facts of the situation not to be misconstrued with the "story" as the Jena 6 family members tell it.

Your nothing more than a race baiter, obviously, if you can't seem to discuss the issue without calling someone a racist.

Im not a racist, I just despise the race baiters turning EVERYTHING into a friggin' race issue, then only finding out that it isn't a race isn't as big of a factor as they thought.

The West Virginia Rape Story comes to mind (black victim was dating white suspect)

If all those friggin' race baiters REALLY want to find some racism against, blacks, why not focus on the genocide of blacks in LA?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...xicangangs.htm

Why can I not find a more reliable source for the story? Probably because the mainstream media hasn't bothered with making it a major headline yet, Even though its deserving of one..

Why? Hint: The people doing the killing aren't white, thus it doesn't fit the media's criteria for race relations reporting.
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Old 11-16-07, 03:16 PM   #314
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Re: Two of 'Jena Six' defendants present BET award

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You are evading the facts. Linked that sometime ago. Now where is yours
*cough cough* Ahem... You gonna respond to this or run and hide??????!?!?!?!?



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And the only person who could account for THIS story was, Robert Bailey Jr.

My sources says this,

WoW.... A Drastically different story from your own now isn't it?


Okay. And what my source says about this incident.......




Imagine that.... My source has researched this story for myths as well.

Wow... Imagine that.



[url="http://uspolitics.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID=/20070920/NEWS01/709200330"]Interesting...
Note that your source article was written a full two months prior to mine. This might be an indication that your source is when the story originally broke, and the information obtained by the source was obtained through untrustworthy sources (Like the family members of the Jena 6).

My source was published less than a month ago, after the story broke big and there were so many conflicting statements as to what really happened. They got in and discovered that there were several myths reported by the mainstream media, probably to get the story more hype and thus more viewership or newspaper sales. However, the Christian Science Monitor got their information the the local Jena news reporters and police, you know, the people who have been dealing with this incident from the beginning of this unconnected chain of events.




And Viola, here it is...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1024/p...op.html?page=1
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Re: Two of 'Jena Six' defendants present BET award

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you are spinning my words. I was talking about the white kids who beat up the black kid and only one was convicted of a minor charge.
One kid fight a black kid who had become beligerent when he was tresspassing at a private party. NOT a premeditated assault with the intent to cause harm and turned into an attempted murder although that charge later lowered.

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The black kid was never asked to testify.
The person charge pled guilty there was no trial.
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And now you are the judge and jury. How do you know it was premeditated? Are you a reader of minds now?
Oh spare me, you obviously have no idea what happened or the facts in the case. Go get up to speed if you are going to try and argue the matter here.

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And for you to say that threatening a person with a gun is not against the law is pure idiotic.
Defending yourself with a gun is perfectly legal.
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It appears that you want to give the white kids the benifit of the doubt and not the black kijs. You are racist.
Kiss my arse then, you just ended any further attempt at civil debate. You are ignorant of the facts and your using personal slander as a debate tactic gets ya ignored.
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*cough cough* Ahem... You gonna respond to this or run and hide??????!?!?!?!?
Since I provided the link with the text when I originally posted it AND reproduced it again today for yet a second time, just what response do you imagine is required?
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Old 11-16-07, 07:29 PM   #317
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Since I provided the link with the text when I originally posted it AND reproduced it again today for yet a second time, just what response do you imagine is required?
Not YOU, I was talking about Citizen responding to my post that he/she promptly ignored even though he/she responded to posts made AFTER by you.

And, i noticed your link has basically the same information as mine, as thus he/she still has not responded to EITHER of our posts and the information within.
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This might be an indication that your source is when the story originally broke, and the information obtained by the source was obtained through untrustworthy sources (Like the family members of the Jena 6).
What evidence do you have that Jena 6 family members are untrustworthy sources? They are undoubtedly biased sources, but so is yours.

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They got in and discovered that there were several myths reported by the mainstream media, probably to get the story more hype and thus more viewership or newspaper sales. However, the Christian Science Monitor got their information the the local Jena news reporters and police, you know, the people who have been dealing with this incident from the beginning of this unconnected chain of events.
The CSM didn't research this story, it published an article written by the associate editor of the The Jena Times. The article is biased to the point of dishonesty. For instance, the article states:

"There has never been a “whites-only” tree at Jena High School. Students of all races sat underneath this tree."

This is misleading. On rare occasions, students of either race may have crossed the demarcation sidewalk, but the tree was traditionally a white students' gathering spot as admitted by the students.

"(The nooses) were understood to be a prank by three white students aimed at their fellow white friends, members of the school rodeo team. (The students apparently got the idea from watching episodes of “Lonesome Dove.”)

This version has been abandoned in favor of yet another excuse: The nooses were hung in anticipation of the upcoming game with the "Mustangs." So, two versions, and neither of them explain why, if the nooses were only an innocent prank, did the principal originally recommend expulsion?

There are many other examples, but the most flagrant one, IMO, is this:

"When District Attorney Reed Walters spoke to Jena High students at an assembly in September, he did not tell black students that he could make their life miserable with 'the stroke of a pen.' ”

Alan Bean explains:

"No one has ever suggested that Reed Walters threatened to make the lives of students “miserable”–he said he could make their lives disappear (a slight difference in tone, you’ll agree). Also, we must remember that school assemblies in Jena have traditionally been segregated. That’s the way it was when the high school integrated in 1970; and that’s the way it has remained. Black students insist he was looking at the black side of the auditorium when he issued his threat; but I don’t think it matters where he was looking.

We are being asked to believe that an irate Reed Walters told chatty white girls that he would use the power of his office to destroy their lives if they didn’t shut up. This is nonsense; but even if it’s true, is that the kind of prosecutor you want in the LaSalle Parish courthouse?'


Craig Franklin's article is further debunked:

The story you haven’t heard (unless you’ve been paying attention) « Friends of Justice
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What evidence do you have that Jena 6 family members are untrustworthy sources? They are undoubtedly biased sources, but so is yours.
Okay. Its obvious that the Jena 6 family members, The Final Call founded by Minister Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, and Friends for Justice BLOGS are biased sources. Can you intelligently explain to me how the Jena Times is a biased source? Can you explain to me how the Christian Science Monitor is a biased source?


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The article is biased to the point of dishonesty.
Proof?

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For instance, the article states:

"There has never been a “whites-only” tree at Jena High School. Students of all races sat underneath this tree."

This is misleading. On rare occasions, students of either race may have crossed the demarcation sidewalk, but the tree was traditionally a white students' gathering spot as admitted by the students.
Proof? Your just gonna say this stuff you got off of a blog? Were you a student at Jena High during this time?


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"(The nooses) were understood to be a prank by three white students aimed at their fellow white friends, members of the school rodeo team. (The students apparently got the idea from watching episodes of “Lonesome Dove.”)
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This version has been abandoned in favor of yet another excuse: The nooses were hung in anticipation of the upcoming game with the "Mustangs." So, two versions, and neither of them explain why, if the nooses were only an innocent prank, did the principal originally recommend expulsion?
1. So your telling me now that you KNOW what the nooses were understood BY PARTICULAR STUDENTS. I'd like to know where you get your brain wave reading machine, I'd like to get one of those.

2. Where did you get your ancitipation of a game with the Mustangs story?

You do realize its hard for me to believe you because you have thrown out so many "theories" in this thread its sad right?

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There are many other examples, but the most flagrant one, IMO, is this:

"When District Attorney Reed Walters spoke to Jena High students at an assembly in September, he did not tell black students that he could make their life miserable with 'the stroke of a pen.' ”

Alan Bean explains:

"No one has ever suggested that Reed Walters threatened to make the lives of students “miserable”–he said he could make their lives disappear (a slight difference in tone, you’ll agree). Also, we must remember that school assemblies in Jena have traditionally been segregated. That’s the way it was when the high school integrated in 1970; and that’s the way it has remained. Black students insist he was looking at the black side of the auditorium when he issued his threat; but I don’t think it matters where he was looking.

We are being asked to believe that an irate Reed Walters told chatty white girls that he would use the power of his office to destroy their lives if they didn’t shut up. This is nonsense; but even if it’s true, is that the kind of prosecutor you want in the LaSalle Parish courthouse?'
So, its a flagrant exaggeration because Alan Bean (biased blogger man for a liberal organization with just THIS type of agenda) has suggested that you "imagine" that the DA was talking to the Blacks, with no other reason? This is horse****.


WoW! Another blog!
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Okay. Its obvious that the Jena 6 family members, The Final Call founded by Minister Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, and Friends for Justice BLOGS are biased sources.
Alan Bean (Friends of Justice) is as credible a source as you will find on this issue. He has spent considerable time in Jena talking with people on both sides, examining legal documents, attending hearings, etc. He has more firsthand knowledge than any reporter could possibly have. He is an advocate for justice, not an advocate for blacks. He has a "BLOG", but unlike most blogs, his is based on personal and in-depth research and experience in Jena.

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Can you intelligently explain to me how the Jena Times is a biased source?
The Jena Times has acted as an unquestioning spokesman for DA Walters. This should be obvious in its reporting of his "chatty white girls" excuse for threatening the students. It has also defended actions of the school administration for dismissing the noose incident as a "prank." But most of all, as residents of Jena, the editors are embarrassed by the international attention portraying their town as racist and backwater, and in trying to downplay that image, they haven't been honest.

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Can you explain to me how the Christian Science Monitor is a biased source?
It isn't usually biased, but in this case, it published a very one-sided story, not one researched by its own writers.

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Proof? Your just gonna say this stuff you got off of a blog? Were you a student at Jena High during this time?
It has been reported by a number of sources who have actually interviewed Jena residents. Howard Witt (Chicago Tribune) and Democracy Now have also spent a lot of time in Jena researching the story. When the black student asked permission to sit under the "white tree," the principal didn't have to ask what he meant, he said, "Sit where you want."

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So your telling me now that you KNOW what the nooses were understood BY PARTICULAR STUDENTS.
No, I'm saying their alibis make no sense, and it's not just coincidental the nooses appeared on that particular tree just hours after Purvis asked permission and then stood under that tree.

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2. Where did you get your ancitipation of a game with the Mustangs story?
A number of sources. Try your google.

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You do realize its hard for me to believe you because you have thrown out so many "theories" in this thread its sad right?
I think it's sad that you refuse to acknowledge even the possibility that DA Walters may have engaged in prosecutorial misconduct, and you conveniently disregard (black parents, black organizations, liberal organizations) anyone representing the Jena 6 as credible sources. Conveniently for you, the only sources you deem credible are the ones that agree with the position you have prejudged to be right.
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