The Life of an Abortionist

doughgirl · 10-05-07, 01:52 AM

When you think of abortion, most the time you think of the mother and the unborn child. But rarely do we talk about the killers, the ones that perform the abortions and how they are affected.

How does the procedure affect them?
Is there stress?
How does the medical community view the abortionist?
How does the abortionist view him/herself?
How do clinic workers view themselves?

I have been doing some research lately on this very issue. . Not only is the abortion industry isolated from the legitimate medical community, occasionally abortionists are even isolated from others within the abortion industry.

Why?

Abortion is legal and has been for over 30 years. Those here on this very website that are pro-abortion say that it's a piece of cake, that its safe and acceptable. Then why the problems? Why the stimga?

The Abortionist

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Abortionist David Zbaraz told the Washington Post, “It’s a nasty, dirty, yucky thing and I always come home angry.” The article went on to say that, “on those days when he performs an abortion, his wife can tell as soon as he walks in the door.”

Washington Post 3/3/80

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In a New York Times editorial, Dr. Susan Conde said, “I observed during my medical training as an Australian physician many abortions by experienced practitioners. They experienced without exception, physical revulsion and moral bewilderment.”

New York Times, 10/19/94

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Abortionist Warren Hern once observed, “Increasingly doctors have been made to deal irrelevant. Feminist abortion clinics treat doctors like technicians and are especially contemptuous of male physicians. Entrepreneurs who treat abortion strictly as a retail business also tend to treat doctors as technicians. Doctors who perform abortions have usually acquiesced in these roles, and their status has plummeted lower than that of physicians who do insurance company examinations.”

New York Times 3/13/93

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In a paper presented to Planned Parenthood conference, Dr. Warren Hern reported a intense emotional reaction from his staff after D&E operations. These included “physiological symptoms, sleep disturbances, effect on personal relationships, and moral anguish.” He observed that the staff’s reactions to the fetus ranged from refusal to look, dismay, and amazement, to disgust, fear and sadness. The abortionist admitted that the procedure also caused him problems, saying, “The sensations of dismemberment flow through the forceps like an electrical current.”

Warren Hern and Billie Corrigan, “What About Us? Staff Reactions to the D&E Procedure,” presented at a meeting of the Association of Planned Parenthood Physicians, San Diego, 10/26/78

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One doctor who was dedicated to performing abortions eventually had to quit his obstetrics practice to alleviate his conflicts: “I felt that you can’t do both. You do a delivery and then do a late term abortion,” he says. “I couldn’t take the emotional roller-coaster ride.”

Karen Tumulty, “The Abortion Of Last Resort” Los Angeles Times, 1/7/90

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One abortionist confessed, “As a physician I’m trained to conserve life and here I am destroying life….I guess I feel guilty because according to the Hippocratic oath you’re not supposed to do abortions. So how could you be trained and raised one way and suddenly be told it ok to do it?” He went on to talk about his experience with saline abortions and the fact that the fetus moves around before the injection, thrashes around immediately after it, but then the movement ceases: “You know that there is something alive in there that you’re killing.”

Magda Denes, In Necessity and Sorrow, New York: Basic Books, Inc., 1976.

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Finally a Florida newspaper quotes abortionist Robert Crist, lamenting that some physicians who don’t do abortions treat him :like a second class citizen. Some of the ones who do-especially the younger, inexperienced ones- have added to an increased level of discomfort.” Later in the article, Crist says he knows of others who have quit because the “stigma had become overwhelming.”

St. Petersburg times, 6/3/90

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Abortionist Morris Wortman says, “Abortion has failed to escape its back-alley association.” In his mind it is still treated as the “dark side of medicine….Even when abortion became legal, it was still considered dirty.”

Democrat and Chronicle 7/5/92

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Bruce Stier came under attack because it was known that he would be performing abortions. He recalls that one day shortly after the Roe decision, as he was scrubbing up, a colleague standing next to him asked, “So Bruce, how many babies are you going to kill today?

San Francisco Chronicle 3/22/93

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Abortionist David Grimes, formerly with the Abortion Surveillance Branch of the Centers for Disease Control, writes, “Clinicians whose practice is limited to abortion services may become estranged from the medical community.

The Philadelphia Inquirer 7/18/93

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A Birmingham Alabama, physician told an Atlanta newspaper that “the majority of abortionists are seen by their peers as not able to do well in other areas of medical practice, so they gravitate toward abortions for the money.”

Atlanta Journal and Constitution, 5/16/93

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The D&E procedure meets a lot of resistance by abortionists, with the head of obstetrics at a Philadelphia teaching hospital admitting that they are “far more ’psychologically traumatizing’ for doctors….I can’t do them anymore.”

Philadelphia Inquirer, 7/18/93

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In a Glamour magazine article, an Ob/Gyn resident said she sees the abortion stigma in school administrators, faculty, and their peers who give the impression that “abortion is a sleazy and offensive procedure….A doctor who does abortions-even if they are only a small part of her practice-is known as an abortionist. This label is supposed to be the kiss of death for any professional hopes she might have.”

Anonymous, “Why I am an Abortionist,” Glamour, October 1993

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The view that abortionists are the black sheep of the medical community appears to be pretty universal, even among abortion supporters. An Ohio medical student observed, “There’s a real stigma on physicians who provide abortion. It almost like: They do abortions. They don’t do real medicine.”

S. G. White, “Under the Gunn,” Hartford Advocate, 4/15/93

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doughgirl · 10-05-07, 01:57 AM

The NURSES

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Sallie Tisdale, a nurse in an abortion clinic writes, “There are weary, grim moments when I think I cannot bear another basin of bloody remains, utter another kind phrase of reassurance….’How can I stand it?’ even the clients ask. They see the machine, the strange instruments, the blood, the final stroke that wipes away the promise of pregnancy. Sometimes I see that too: I watch a woman’s swollen abdomen sink to softness in a few stuttering moments and my own belly flip-flops with sorrow.”

Sallie Tisdale, “We Do Abortions Here,” Harper’s Magazine, October 1987.

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During a workshop sponsored by the national Abortion Federation, one nurse described her horror as an abortionist she worked for pulled out a cannula and a tiny foot was sticking out of it.”

Diane Gianelli, “Abortion Providers Share Inner Conflicts,” American Medical News, 7/12/93.

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A director of nursing points out that some of the later term fetuses are “getting pretty big….it is very traumatic for the staff to pick this up and put it in a container and say, ’Okay that’s going to the incinerator.”
Magda Denes, In Necessity and Sorrow, New York: Basic Books, Inc., 1976

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“You have to be a bit schizophrenic. In one room you encourage the patient that the slight irregularity of the fetal heart is not important, everything is going well, she is going to have a nice baby, and then you shut the door and go into the next room and assure another patient on whom you just did a saline abortion, that it’s fine if the heart is already irregular, she has nothing to worry about, she is not going to have a live baby. You have to make a 180 degree turn, but somehow it evolved in my own mind gradually.”

Magda Denes, In Necessity and Sorrow, New York: Basic Books, Inc., 1976

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Researchers Constance Nathanson and Marshall Becker observed, “Some studies have suggested that some physicians experience considerable personal disturbances over the abortion procedure itself.”

Nathanson and Becker’s own study found that 41.8% of Maryland Ob/Gyns who support the Roe v Wade ruling are often or sometimes disturbed by abortion. Of those who are disturbed, 37.1% admit that the disturbance is severe or moderate.

Constance A. Nathanson and Marshall H. Becker, “The Influence of Physicians’ Attitudes on Abortion performance, Patient Management and Professional Fees,” Family Planning Perspectives, July/August 1977

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Alexander Sanger, president of Planned Parenthood of New York City, pointed out that, “Back in the early 70’s, Planned Parenthood led the fight to get abortions to be done in outpatient clinics, and it seemed like a good idea at the time, a way of providing easy access to good, cheap care….But it turns out that it has led to a stigmatization of abortion, as something most doctors opt out of.

New York Times, 3/22/92

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A study of 130 San Francisco abortion clinic workers conducted between January 1984 and March 1985 found that 77% of them see abortion as a destructive act against a living thing, and 18% actually talked about it as murder. The study’s author stated, ”Particularly striking was the fact that discomfort with abortion clients or procedures was reported by practioners who strongly supported abortion rights and expressed strong commitment to their work. This preliminary finding suggested that even those who supported a woman’s right to terminate a pregnancy may be struggling with an important tension between their formal beliefs and the situated experience of their abortion work. “

Kathleen M. Roe, “Private Troubles and Public Issues,” Social Science and Medicine, Vol.29,No. 10

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Newsweek article about teenage sexual habits in the 1990s points out that high standards are not exactly expected of abortionists. “Access (to abortion) was rarely a problem: every big city and most college towns had a clinic or at least an abortion doctor, and if he wasn’t Marcus Welby, well at least he had an office.

Michele Ingrassia, “Virgin Cool,” Newsweek, 10/17/94

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Judith Fetrow, a former Planned Parenthood worker, summed up this problem at a pro-life conference: “ It is extremely difficult to watch doctors lie, clinic workers cover up, and hear terrifying stories of women dragged out of clinics to die in cars on the way to the hospital without beginning to question the party line. I began to wonder if we were really caring for these women, or if we were just working for another corporation whose only interest was the bottom line. But these are questions that ones does not voice at Planned Parenthood.”

“Meet the Abortion Providers III: The Promoters,” audiotape, conference held by the Pro-Life Action league, Chicago, 4/3/93

Interesting from television.........

Consider the following dialog from the television show M*A*S*H. It seems to sum up the medical community’s view of abortionists.

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Henry: “May I remind you both that not everybody you’ll meet down there is going to be lovable Colonel Henry Blake.”
Hawkeye: “What are you trying to tell us, lovable Colonel Henry Blake?”
Henry: “Just take my advice-don’t show up looking like a couple of freelance abortionists. Shape up.”

MASH, original air date 10/19/73

Joe Hill · 10-05-07, 03:00 AM

Prescribing MAP (abortion) pills for rape victims or removing the doomed fetuses of ectopic pregnancies saves lives and prevents the spread of rapist genomes. I would be proud to participate in that.

OKgrannie · 10-05-07, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by doughgirl

When you think of abortion, most the time you think of the mother and the unborn child. But rarely do we talk about the killers, the ones that perform the abortions and how they are affected.

How does the procedure affect them?
Is there stress?
How does the medical community view the abortionist?
How does the abortionist view him/herself?
How do clinic workers view themselves?

I have been doing some research lately on this very issue. . Not only is the abortion industry isolated from the legitimate medical community, occasionally abortionists are even isolated from others within the abortion industry.

Why?

Abortion is legal and has been for over 30 years. Those here on this very website that are pro-abortion say that it's a piece of cake, that its safe and acceptable. Then why the problems? Why the stimga? ......

Some answers from doctors who performed abortions before RvW:

Voices of Choice - Transcript Excerpts

"Before Roe v. Wade, I had no guilt feelings about what I was doing. I was proud of being able to help the women that I was taking care of. It didn't interfere with my beliefs in any way. It didn't bother me morally or ethically. I was an activist not only in my professional life but also political life. Having five daughters had an influence on me too. They were going to grow up and possibly face the dilemma of many of the women I'd seen....

I firmly believe that the woman should have control of her body and her reproductive life. And that's the essence of Roe v. Wade. The essence of the whole debate is that women should have control over their bodies and their reproductive rights without interference of the state."

http://www.voicesofchoice.org/transc...tis_boyd.shtml

"Women were desperate not to be pregnant. And then to walk out alive and intact when they'd come from great distances. They didn't know me. These were strangers, women I'd never seen before and I'd never see again, and they were treated with respect, with dignity. They didn't have much pain, and they were alive and going to get up off the table and walk out. They were just so filled with gratitude and expressive with their feelings. That's a powerful motivating factor.

When a woman acts in a responsible way, doing what she believes is in her best interest and the best interest of her family, she's being moral. This is a moral decision, and I believe in that. Even today they walk in my office and they think that what they're doing is wrong and that they're a bad person for doing it. And that's really sad because what they're often doing is showing a higher level of moral development than probably most anyone else...

It's work that I'm very proud of. I have never experienced a greater level of gratitude from patients or the feeling that I made a real difference in their life, and really in the life of our society. So the work has been satisfying. It's never ceased to feel rewarding and to feel that I'm doing something good and something important."

http://www.voicesofchoice.org/transc...celniker.shtml

"These women were desperate to have this performed. And you knew because of their desperation that they were more than likely going to get it done someplace. And I felt that if they got it done in an inadequate facility and with inadequate medical care, I might end up taking care of their complications.

And that sort of tugs at your heartstrings knowing the desperate situation they were in. I felt it was my duty as a physician to treat them. Ethically I felt it was morally wrong to turn them away. I felt the moral obligation outweighed the legal problem.

I just felt that it was my duty as a physician to help these poor souls that came in with this problem. I just felt so strongly that this was in their best interest, and if I could provide them with that service, I felt satisfied in my own mind that I did the right thing. And these patients were very, very thankful."

rivrrat · 10-05-07, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by doughgirl

When you think of abortion, most the time you think of the mother and the unborn child. But rarely do we talk about the killers, the ones that perform the abortions and how they are affected.

How does the procedure affect them?
Is there stress?
How does the medical community view the abortionist?
How does the abortionist view him/herself?
How do clinic workers view themselves?

I have been doing some research lately on this very issue. . Not only is the abortion industry isolated from the legitimate medical community, occasionally abortionists are even isolated from others within the abortion industry.

Why?

Abortion is legal and has been for over 30 years. Those here on this very website that are pro-abortion say that it's a piece of cake, that its safe and acceptable. Then why the problems? Why the stimga?

The Abortionist

If they have such a problem with it, then they should be in another field. I have no sympathy for people who do something they don't like when they have the choice to do otherwise.

blastula · 10-05-07, 10:22 AM

You are assuming that they have such a problem with it before they get into the field of abortion. But your assumption is wrong. Therefore your denial of sympathy has no ground.

blastula · 10-05-07, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Some answers from doctors who performed abortions before RvW:

Voices of Choice - Transcript Excerpts
<snipped>I firmly believe that the woman should have control of her body and her reproductive life. <snipped>

I also firmly believe that a woman should have total control of her body and her reproductive life. That is to say she should exercise great restraint in her sexual lifestyle and use every precaution and protection to avoid unwanted pregnancy.

Quote(gender of pronoun switched): (The Father, the powerless victim of the "Pro-Choice" Agenda)

She has NO BUSINESS having sex with a man if she is not willing to suffer the consequences involved in that act. She is not willing to be a mother, she should NOT have sex. It's the only action that guarantees she won't be a mother.

If I drink and drive and kill someone, I am liable for that death. I assumed the risk. It's no different with sex.

rivrrat · 10-05-07, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by blastula

You are assuming that they have such a problem with it before they get into the field of abortion. But your assumption is wrong. Therefore your denial of sympathy has no ground.

Why not? I've gone into jobs before with the assumption I would enjoy doing it, and later realized I did NOT. I left said jobs.

So again, no sympathy for those who choose to work jobs they don't like.

rivrrat · 10-05-07, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by blastula

It's the only action that guarantees she won't be a mother.

Unless she's raped, of course.

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If I drink and drive and kill someone, I am liable for that death. I assumed the risk. It's no different with sex.[/indent]

Should you be allowed to seek medical treatment for your injuries though? Or should we just let you die if you get into a car accident since you should assume responsibility for your injuries due to the fact that you decided to drive the car? Has nothing to do with injuring someone else. Has to do with seeking medical treatment for something that happened to you despite your desire for it not to happen.

You're advocating the denial of a medical procedure for women who "take the risk" of getting pregnant by voluntarily having sex. Wouldn't the same apply for someone who "took the risk" of getting into a car accident by voluntarily getting into a car? Should we not treat your injuries? Let's even assume for a second that they're not life threatening. Should you be denied any medical procedure you want as a result of that accident simply due to the fact that you assumed the risk of the accident when you got in the car?

blastula · 10-05-07, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rivrrat

Why not? I've gone into jobs before with the assumption I would enjoy doing it, and later realized I did NOT. I left said jobs.

So again, no sympathy for those who choose to work jobs they don't like.

Again, false assumption. What makes you think they all stayed on with the job?

On the pertinent point, whether they leave or stay on with the job, the confession they made reveals the conflicting nature and falsehood of pro-abortion ground in their argument for abortion.

For those who made such confession and still stayed on to perform or assist in the abortion mills, they are truly bloody monsters. They have no sympathy from me either.