Should the tax payer have to pay for ins for a child whose parents make $83K a year?

donc · 10-04-07, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

You mean like the hero soldier that said he served a tour in Iraq and was against the war and the dems swooned all over him and then come to find out he served 44 days and never got out of boot camp....

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O...thats 44 day more than Bush ore Cheney served isn't it?

Vader · 10-04-07, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

If President Bush had approved the child health bill today a person making $83K in New York would have received free health care for his children so the question begs to be asked?

1.) 83k is NOTHING in New York
2.) Kids need health care ... even if the neocon-nazis don't like it.
3.) I think the upper class should have to foot the bill (taxing the middle class and the poor is out of the question)
4.) People who make more than twice the poverty level (calculated by their area of residence) should be banned from ALL PUBLIC ASSISTANCE.

Leeguana · 10-04-07, 09:53 PM

The parents of most of the children to be covered would not be making 83 grand/year. And what about the mom and dad with an income of 30-60k/year and 2-4 kids? Their cost for healthcare is a pretty substantial chunk of their income.

And you really should word the poll question more honestly in another way. It would only be "smoking" taxpayers that would foot the bill. I'm a smoker, and I'd be willing to pay an extra 61 cents a pack to help get healthcare for a child. Geezuz, they're already over 4 bucks where I live anyway. And besides, the only places I can legally smoke anymore are in my home, my car, and some hotel/motel rooms. It's an easy choice for me. I'll pay the extra 3 cents/smoke to help provide healthcare for a kid who needs it.

disneydude · 10-04-07, 10:07 PM

I think that people who have served this country in the military should be entitled to free health care for life. I don't think that is much to give them considering the sacrifices that they have made for our country (God knows...they aren't paid much)....

That said, I also believe that being one of the richest countries in the world, we need to work towards having a system which provides healthcare for all our citizens...not because we HAVE to...but sometimes its about doing the RIGHT thing.

dixon76710 · 10-04-07, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

Thank you for providing a source.

Your source proves your statement was false. You said:

Originally Posted by dixon76710
The top 5% income earners making ove quarter million $s pay "most" of the taxes in the US.

In 2006, income taxes represented 43% of the taxes in the US. Therefore, your data which shows that the top 5% paid 57% of the income tax translates to them paying 24.5% of the taxes in the US.

The rest of the taxes came from tax corporations pay (15%) which are not the wealthiest 5%, and the SS tax (35%) which the 5% richest only pay a small part of, since SS taxes stop after about $95k of income.

Oh geez. We are talking about individuals that make $83,000, and their contribution in taxes compared to other individuals, into the federal government to pay for $35 billion kids health care program. Not compared to corporations. And "SS taxes" in excess of benefits paid, are loaned to the federal government and must be paid back. Revenue from income taxes is not loaned to the federal government and doesnt have to be paid back.
Why did you stop at federal taxes? why not include state and local income, sales and property taxes? They are no more irrelevent to the topic than SS or corporate taxes.
But Ill try to be more precise in the future.

Navy Pride · 10-04-07, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by donc

O...thats 44 day more than Bush ore Cheney served isn't it?

I think Bush flew Jets for a couple of years in the National Guard until the squadron was decommissioned.....Could you do that? Oh by the way.......What did Clinton do?

Navy Pride · 10-04-07, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vader

1.) 83k is NOTHING in New York
2.) Kids need health care ... even if the neocon-nazis don't like it.
3.) I think the upper class should have to foot the bill (taxing the middle class and the poor is out of the question)
4.) People who make more than twice the poverty level (calculated by their area of residence) should be banned from ALL PUBLIC ASSISTANCE.

I think you should have to foot the bill my left wing socialist friend..If you like Universal health care so bad why not move to France or Canada
thye have it....One thing though when they get sick they come here for treatment.........

Navy Pride · 10-04-07, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by disneydude

I think that people who have served this country in the military should be entitled to free health care for life. I don't think that is much to give them considering the sacrifices that they have made for our country (God knows...they aren't paid much)....

That said, I also believe that being one of the richest countries in the world, we need to work to wards having a system which provides health care for all our citizens...not because we HAVE to...but sometimes its about doing the RIGHT thing.

Well here is a flash for you.....We use to get free health care when we retired from the military but you boy Clinton took care of that and started a program called TRICARE where retirees have to pay for the health care until they are 65 and then they forfeit their MEDICARE premiums.......

The presidents proposal called for a 5 billion dollar increase in the program which would have covered kids twice the welfare limit of 43,000 but the dems want to give free health care to 4 times the poverty line which would be over 80,000..........Its all politics and I suspect there will be some type of compromise.....

The dems want to pay for it on a .61 cent cigarette tax increase somewhere down the road.....It may never be approved..........We already have 3 failing medical programs why not go for four................

You libs crack me up.......The only thing you know is raise taxes......

Navy Pride · 10-04-07, 10:30 PM

Wow 15-10 now....The libs are coming out of the wood work............Funny though of the 10 people there are only 2 names..........I smell something rotten in Denmark......

disneydude · 10-04-07, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Navy Pride

Well here is a flash for you.....We use to get free health care when we retired from the military but you boy Clinton took care of that and started a program called TRICARE where retirees have to pay for the health care until they are 65 and then they forfeit their MEDICARE premiums.......

The presidents proposal called for a 5 billion dollar increase in the program which would have covered kids twice the welfare limit of 43,000 but the dems want to give free health care to 4 times the poverty line which would be over 80,000..........Its all politics and I suspect there will be some type of compromise.....

The dems want to pay for it on a .61 cent cigarette tax increase somewhere down the road.....It may never be approved..........We already have 3 failing medical programs why not go for four................

You libs crack me up.......The only thing you know is raise taxes......

Where do you get that I agree with everything Clinton did?
If you followed along, you would know that I never have been a huge Bill Clinton fan. He was not my choice for the Democratic nomination, but he did win me over and overall I thought he was a decent President....definitely leagues above the current clown we have.

However, I don't think you would have to raise taxes a great deal to cover universal health care. I think you could start with veterans and kids and gradually expand it to cover everyone if you can make the program work.
The reality is, under our current system, insurance companies and HMO's are making billions of dollars in profits...get THAT under control and I think you would find that universal health care is not an unrealistic goal.

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10-04-07, 09:53 PM	#143
Leeguana User Join Date: Oct 2007 Last Seen: 10-05-07 10:56 PM Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 29 Thanks: 9 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Lean: Very Liberal Gender:	Re: Should the tax payer have to pay for ins for a child whose parents make $83K a ye The parents of most of the children to be covered would not be making 83 grand/year. And what about the mom and dad with an income of 30-60k/year and 2-4 kids? Their cost for healthcare is a pretty substantial chunk of their income. And you really should word the poll question more honestly in another way. It would only be "smoking" taxpayers that would foot the bill. I'm a smoker, and I'd be willing to pay an extra 61 cents a pack to help get healthcare for a child. Geezuz, they're already over 4 bucks where I live anyway. And besides, the only places I can legally smoke anymore are in my home, my car, and some hotel/motel rooms. It's an easy choice for me. I'll pay the extra 3 cents/smoke to help provide healthcare for a kid who needs it.
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disneydude Sage Join Date: Jan 2006 Last Seen: Yesterday 07:11 PM Location: Los Angeles Posts: 9,604 Thanks: 997 Thanked 2,206 Times in 1,491 Posts Lean: Liberal Gender:	Re: Should the tax payer have to pay for ins for a child whose parents make $83K a ye I think that people who have served this country in the military should be entitled to free health care for life. I don't think that is much to give them considering the sacrifices that they have made for our country (God knows...they aren't paid much).... That said, I also believe that being one of the richest countries in the world, we need to work towards having a system which provides healthcare for all our citizens...not because we HAVE to...but sometimes its about doing the RIGHT thing.
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