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Old 10-02-07, 11:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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"AFTER 18 dramatic months of crotch-flashing, head-shaving, paparazzi-bashing and redneck-divorcing, it looks like Britney Spears has done it again. The 25-year-old has been ordered to surrender custody of her two children to her ex-husband, Kevin Federline. Oops."

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She'll reportedly be paying an enormous monthly child support payment; in fact, she already was before, when they had the 50/50 custody arrangement, and she was even required to pay federline alimony for awhile.

This is for all the "it's not fair that women can 'opt out' of pregnancy but men can't 'opt out' of child support" whiners: get a clue.
Women can't opt out of child support either; when there is a custody dispute, the more suitable parent is awarded primary custody (which makes sense, seeing as how it's all about the best interest of the child); the noncustodial parent pays child support. If the noncustodial parent happens to be the wealthier of the two, that parent pays out the nose, regardless of whether the parent in question is in possession of a vagina or is sporting a pair of testicles.

If the majority of mothers earned more than fathers, rather than vice versa, you'd see more men like Federline, attempting to win both custody of their children and support in an amount that would allow them a life of leisure.
Not to suggest that this is Federline's sole or primary motive; I don't know him, so I can't say. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he loves his children and is concerned about their welfare.

I'm just saying: if you'd like to see more women made to pay child support, then fight for equal wages. If you'd like to see more men awarded primary custody, then encourage men to step up to the plate and be suitable guardians.
Until those things happen, quit whining on behalf of the poor, oppressed wittle men.
For the time being, things are as "fair and equal" as they're gonna get, in an unfair and unequal society.
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Old 10-03-07, 01:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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when there is a custody dispute, the more suitable parent is awarded primary custody
Assuming facts not in evidence.

It's far more likely that the court applies outdated gender stereotypes when considering who gets custody, resulting in drastically disproportionate decisions giving the mother the responsibility for child-raising and the father the responsibility for bread-winning.

You complain constantly about gender stereotypes, why not about that particular one? Because it unfairly favors women and deep down you feel good about "sticking it to the man"?
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Old 10-03-07, 02:04 AM   #3 (permalink)
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"AFTER 18 dramatic months of crotch-flashing, head-shaving, paparazzi-bashing and redneck-divorcing, it looks like Britney Spears has done it again. The 25-year-old has been ordered to surrender custody of her two children to her ex-husband, Kevin Federline. Oops."

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She'll reportedly be paying an enormous monthly child support payment; in fact, she already was before, when they had the 50/50 custody arrangement, and she was even required to pay federline alimony for awhile.

This is for all the "it's not fair that women can 'opt out' of pregnancy but men can't 'opt out' of child support" whiners: get a clue.
Women can't opt out of child support either; when there is a custody dispute, the more suitable parent is awarded primary custody (which makes sense, seeing as how it's all about the best interest of the child); the noncustodial parent pays child support. If the noncustodial parent happens to be the wealthier of the two, that parent pays out the nose, regardless of whether the parent in question is in possession of a vagina or is sporting a pair of testicles.

If the majority of mothers earned more than fathers, rather than vice versa, you'd see more men like Federline, attempting to win both custody of their children and support in an amount that would allow them a life of leisure.
Not to suggest that this is Federline's sole or primary motive; I don't know him, so I can't say. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he loves his children and is concerned about their welfare.

I'm just saying: if you'd like to see more women made to pay child support, then fight for equal wages. If you'd like to see more men awarded primary custody, then encourage men to step up to the plate and be suitable guardians.
Until those things happen, quit whining on behalf of the poor, oppressed wittle men.
For the time being, things are as "fair and equal" as they're gonna get, in an unfair and unequal society.
I think you're missing the point. Once the child is born neither parent really gets to just opt out. The mother, however, gets to opt out prior to birth thus making it 100% certain that she will NEVER have to pay child support for that particular child. She gets to have the human in her womb terminated thus insuring absolutely that she is NEVER held responsible for providing that child with financial or any other type of support. Men don't get that window of opportunity. They don't get to make a "choice" when it comes to parenting. They can't do anything about a pregnancy that will unquestionably negate their future responsibility towards the child once it's left the womb. Choice allows women to accept or decline a parental responsibility. If they accept the pregnancy continues if they decline the living human in the womb is terminated. Men get no choice. If the woman wants to give birth to the baby then he becomes "a parent" and the courts in all likelihood will hold him responsible for his child no matter how he feels regarding whether or not he actually felt ready or wanted to parent.

And as far as Britney's case being representative of the fair and equal treatment men receive in domestic court.... Her situation is fairly atypical on a variety of levels.

Also, could you please explain how "abortion" is in the best interest of the aborted child? Or are you still busy insisting there is no spoon?
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Old 10-03-07, 12:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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"AFTER 18 dramatic months of crotch-flashing, head-shaving, paparazzi-bashing and redneck-divorcing, it looks like Britney Spears has done it again. The 25-year-old has been ordered to surrender custody of her two children to her ex-husband, Kevin Federline. Oops."

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She'll reportedly be paying an enormous monthly child support payment; in fact, she already was before, when they had the 50/50 custody arrangement, and she was even required to pay federline alimony for awhile.

This is for all the "it's not fair that women can 'opt out' of pregnancy but men can't 'opt out' of child support" whiners: get a clue.
Women can't opt out of child support either; when there is a custody dispute, the more suitable parent is awarded primary custody (which makes sense, seeing as how it's all about the best interest of the child); the noncustodial parent pays child support. If the noncustodial parent happens to be the wealthier of the two, that parent pays out the nose, regardless of whether the parent in question is in possession of a vagina or is sporting a pair of testicles.

If the majority of mothers earned more than fathers, rather than vice versa, you'd see more men like Federline, attempting to win both custody of their children and support in an amount that would allow them a life of leisure.
Not to suggest that this is Federline's sole or primary motive; I don't know him, so I can't say. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he loves his children and is concerned about their welfare.

I'm just saying: if you'd like to see more women made to pay child support, then fight for equal wages. If you'd like to see more men awarded primary custody, then encourage men to step up to the plate and be suitable guardians.
Until those things happen, quit whining on behalf of the poor, oppressed wittle men.
For the time being, things are as "fair and equal" as they're gonna get, in an unfair and unequal society.
Sure use one story involving a Hollywood celebrity who's every move is tracked by papparazzi. Its not that hard to prove a mother unsuitable when she is acting like a loon is the spotlight of cameras. However for normal people that aren't subject to 24 hours of public surveillance, it gets much harder to prove the exact same acts of idiocy that she regularly engages in. I could regal you with stories about unfit mothers getting custody in this area over fit father parents. But you'd just ignore it anyway.
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How do you go about it, exactly?
Its top secret stuff. I only pull it out when I am my wifes bad side.
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So the kids go from a coked up party girl to a chain smoking wannabe rapping dirt bag. Not much of a trade off
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Aww... KFed's a gainfully employed individual now. Didn't you hear?
He's a professional party guest.
I sh!t you not.
I just read an article to that effect.
He's charging people, like, 1000 bucks to show up at their party for fifteen minutes or something.
Can you imagine?
I'll see if I can find the article I read.
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Aww... KFed's a gainfully employed individual now. Didn't you hear?
He's a professional party guest.
I sh!t you not.
I just read an article to that effect.
He's charging people, like, 1000 bucks to show up at their party for fifteen minutes or something.
Can you imagine?
I'll see if I can find the article I read.
Fairly common nowadays, the bulk of young entertainment figures can be purchased for a couple hours at events.

Make it however you can, I guess.
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I think you're missing the point. Once the child is born neither parent really gets to just opt out. The mother, however, gets to opt out prior to birth thus making it 100% certain that she will NEVER have to pay child support for that particular child. She gets to have the human in her womb terminated thus insuring absolutely that she is NEVER held responsible for providing that child with financial or any other type of support. Men don't get that window of opportunity. They don't get to make a "choice" when it comes to parenting. They can't do anything about a pregnancy that will unquestionably negate their future responsibility towards the child once it's left the womb. Choice allows women to accept or decline a parental responsibility. If they accept the pregnancy continues if they decline the living human in the womb is terminated. Men get no choice. If the woman wants to give birth to the baby then he becomes "a parent" and the courts in all likelihood will hold him responsible for his child no matter how he feels regarding whether or not he actually felt ready or wanted to parent.

And as far as Britney's case being representative of the fair and equal treatment men receive in domestic court.... Her situation is fairly atypical on a variety of levels.

Also, could you please explain how "abortion" is in the best interest of the aborted child? Or are you still busy insisting there is no spoon?
Well, actually, men CAN opt out. They can waive their parental rights.
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