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Old 10-11-07, 07:00 PM   #91
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Re: Liberal "Patriots"

It is impossible to have a differing opinion from conservatives without being motivated by treason. Utterly impossible.
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Old 10-11-07, 07:37 PM   #92
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Re: Liberal "Patriots"

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They like the rest of the communist sympathizers wanted a communist America, that was their "patriotic dream" and only by assuring we didn't get ahead of them in the nuke race could that be achieved. Was that patriotic?
Don't come in here and assume you know the personal motivations of the Rosenbergs or any other communist during that era. I doubt you were even alive then, or were at least too young to know what communism was. That **** won't work with me. The ****ing nuke race was not a source of patriotic devotion for preserving America. Please, if you are going to do this please be reasonable in your assertions.

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We can debate it right here where everyone can participate.
Oh, I see how it is. You are afraid that your friends won't be able to dogpile in here and help you out huh? Let's do this in a True Debate, me vs. you. Let's see whose research and facts stand up and support their case. Rather than having the discussion all littered with the regular drive by bull**** posts that always happen, we'll have a clear and telling argument for all to see and then judge the merit of our individual efforts. And rather than rely on old hashed talking points or urban legend, you are required to cite your sources and actually validate your claims.

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Old 10-11-07, 08:14 PM   #93
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Re: Liberal "Patriots"

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Don't come in here and assume you know the personal motivations of the Rosenbergs or any other communist during that era.
OK then you don't come here and assume the motivations of those you claim are liberal patriots.

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I doubt you were even alive then, or were at least too young to know what communism was.
Oh only those who were alive then could possibly know..................
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That **** won't work with me. The ****ing nuke race was not a source of patriotic devotion for preserving America.
Yes it was, there were many, liberals, who wanted us to adopt a communist/socialist form of government.............for the good of the country.


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Oh, I see how it is. You are afraid that your friends won't be able to dogpile in here and help you out huh?
No I just don't take the debate here that serious nor choose to devote that much time and energy in a private debate. If you don't think your debate can stand up to a public forum...........

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Let's do this in a True Debate, me vs. you. Let's see whose research and facts stand up and support their case.
You are free to do that right here.
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Old 10-11-07, 09:15 PM   #94
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Re: Liberal "Patriots"

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OK then you don't come here and assume the motivations of those you claim are liberal patriots.
I never did. I said "if"...you made an absolute statement. Nice try.

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Oh only those who were alive then could possibly know..................
My point was that you have no real idea what was or wasn't motivating individual communists at the time...especially the Rosenbergs. Don't act like you did. Or you could just abandon fabrication and maybe post a citation that backs your very presumptuous position.

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Yes it was, there were many, liberals, who wanted us to adopt a communist/socialist form of government.............for the good of the country.
Let's take this back a notch. You claimed the Rosenbergs were assisting the Russians, our biggest enemy, in the race to build nuclear weapons because they loved America? That is a far cry from American dissidents desiring a socialist form or government. One is seeking to arm our enemies and the other is seeking change from within. Oh yeah I see how you can come up with that correlation. STTTTRREEEEEETTTCCHHHHHHHHHH much?

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No I just don't take the debate here that serious nor choose to devote that much time and energy in a private debate. If you don't think your debate can stand up to a public forum...........
Lol...yeah okay.

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You are free to do that right here.
Of course I can...

Is this where you refuse to make eye contact and tuck your tail?
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Old 10-12-07, 02:02 AM   #95
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Re: Liberal "Patriots"

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I keep running across liberals who keep claiming they're "patriots", but their actions and words tell a different story.

We have schools and even entire cities in our country who refuse to allow the military to engage in dialogue, recruitment practices, filming commercials, and now, from departing aircraft upon returning from Iraq.

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How can liberals call themselves patriots? Their actions speak louder than words, and their words are deplorable.
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So, every school and city is full of Libs? NO!!!
Recruitment should NOT be allowed in any school.
High Schools have kids ranging from 13 to 18.
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Everyone must know by now that they have used many methods that were not supposed to be used.
I went to many HS's and talked about my Military experience. I brought many of my medals with me because they might never get to see any medals like I have and unlike the HS recruiters I give them three sides of the story, the good, the bad and the ugly.
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Re: Liberal "Patriots"

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I never did. I said "if"...you made an absolute statement. Nice try.
A distinction without merit.

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My point was that you have no real idea what was or wasn't motivating individual communists at the time...especially the Rosenbergs. Don't act like you did.
My point is yes I/we do.

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Let's take this back a notch. You claimed the Rosenbergs were assisting the Russians, our biggest enemy, in the race to build nuclear weapons because they loved America?
Because they thought is was for the betterment of all include the US, why do you think they did it?
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That is a far cry from American dissidents desiring a socialist form or government.
No it's not.
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One is seeking to arm our enemies
To equal the balance of power.

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and the other is seeking change from within.
They are not exclusive are they. In fact one helps the other.

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Is this where you refuse to make eye contact and tuck your tail?
Who's trying to leave here?
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It is impossible to have a differing opinion from conservatives without being motivated by treason. Utterly impossible.



Nonsense. That makes about as much sense as saying scooters are cool.
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Old 10-12-07, 05:25 PM   #98
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The facts of the case are in dispute. One version depends upon her credibility.
Would you say that posing nude makes her credibility worse than his?
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Old 10-12-07, 05:37 PM   #99
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Would you say that posing nude makes her credibility worse than his?
Not necessarily. IMO it does suggest (not prove) that she is willing to compromise principals for financial gain.
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Old 10-13-07, 08:11 AM   #100
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Not necessarily. IMO it does suggest (not prove) that she is willing to compromise principals for financial gain.
How do you know that posing nude is against her principles?
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