Conservatives: Read This Email

aquapub · 10-02-07, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

It was selective outrage. Republicans gleefully bashed veteran John Kerry

Objecting to John Kerry's lies about his military service makes it selective outrage for conservatives to object to an ACTUAL war hero like Petreus being stabbed in the back by the very Democrats who unanimously put him in power?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

and mocked every soldier who was ever awarded a purple heart by wearing purple heart bandaids.

I thought that was only to make fun of the ones who lied about their record like Kerry and Cleland. This makes it selective outrage for conservatives to object to an ACTUAL war hero like Petreus being stabbed in the back by the very Democrats who unanimously put him in power?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

They compared war hero Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden.

Print out their speeches sometime and try to guess who wrote what. Their talking points are literally almost identical. Of course Cleland was compared with Bin Laden. They play for the same side. This makes it selective outrage for conservatives to object to an ACTUAL war hero like Petreus being stabbed in the back by the very Democrats who unanimously put him in power?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

Bush fired other generals.

This makes it selective outrage for conservatives to object to an ACTUAL war hero like Petreus being stabbed in the back by the very Democrats who unanimously put him in power?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

Why is Petraeus a sacred cow who is above criticism?

Nobody said he's above criticism. He's a straight arrow and an ACTUAL war hero...even Democrats admitted that while unanimously endorsing him...but then did a 180 the moment he started to succeed.

RightinNYC · 10-02-07, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARealConservative

So is this: Ron Paul leads ALL ‘08 candidates with over one-fourth of military contributions for Q2

Link? Interesting if true.

The silenced majority · 10-02-07, 06:28 PM

Don't you think it's kind of odd calling for the defense of a man who's made a career of spinning his political foes' sound bytes on the basis he's been victimized by somebody else spinning his sound byte?

I'd be more compelled to defend him if he hadn't spent so much time in recent years focusing on the out of power minority party in congress. When, IMO he should have been chastising the supposedly "conservative" Senate and House that had been quickly going out of control and departing from their roots.

Lachean · 10-02-07, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RightinNYC

Link? Interesting if true.

ABC News: Obama, Paul Lead in Military Donations
Military support for the republican candidates » The Truth @ The Spin Factor
Why the US Military Loves Ron Paul

And a youtube!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nwZGRrqhfs[/YOUTUBE]

Fox News even covered it

Go figure...

RightinNYC · 10-02-07, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lachean

ABC News: Obama, Paul Lead in Military Donations
Military support for the republican candidates » The Truth @ The Spin Factor
Why the US Military Loves Ron Paul

And a youtube!

Fox News even covered it

Go figure...

Quote:

The center tallied money from donors who list the Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy and National Guard as an employer. Overall, these donations are miniscule: Obama got 44 contributions worth about $27,000 and Paul 23 for about $19,300. Republican John McCain, an Iraq war supporter and Vietnam prisoner of war, was third with about $18,500 from 32 donors.

Huh...the numbers are really small and not exactly definitive, but thats interesting nonetheless.

Chanda · 10-02-07, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquapub

Objecting to John Kerry's lies about his military service makes it selective outrage for conservatives to object to an ACTUAL war hero like Petreus being stabbed in the back by the very Democrats who unanimously put him in power?

Ask Jim Rassmann, whose life Kerry saved, if Kerry was an actual war hero.

OpinionJournal - Featured Article

Kerry never lied about his military service. His medals were documented by military records, and not one Swift Boat veteran lie was ever proven. The SBVT debacle was a despicable campaign dirty trick to promote a man who chose not to serve in Vietnam at all.

Quote:

I thought that was only to make fun of the ones who lied about their record like Kerry and Cleland.

Whatever you think about war heroes Kerry and Cleland, the purple heart bandaids were an insult to every purple heart recipient.

Quote:

Print out their speeches sometime and try to guess who wrote what. Their talking points are literally almost identical.

Cleland was against the war. OBL was for it, and it has served him very well for AQ recruitment. OBL is more like Bush because both of them attacked innocent countries.

Quote:

This makes it selective outrage for conservatives to object to an ACTUAL war hero like Petreus being stabbed in the back by the very Democrats who unanimously put him in power? Nobody said he's above criticism. He's a straight arrow and an ACTUAL war hero...even Democrats admitted that while unanimously endorsing him...but then did a 180 the moment he started to succeed.

What is it specifically that makes Petraeus an ACTUAL war hero? I agree he is a hero for serving, but so are Kerry, Cleland, and McCain, all of whom were attacked by Republicans. And there is some question as to whether the surge is a success.

aquapub · 10-03-07, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The silenced majority

Don't you think it's kind of odd calling for the defense of a man who's made a career of spinning his political foes' sound bytes on the basis he's been victimized by somebody else spinning his sound byte?

I'd be more compelled to defend him if he hadn't spent so much time in recent years focusing on the out of power minority party in congress. When, IMO he should have been chastising the supposedly "conservative" Senate and House that had been quickly going out of control and departing from their roots.

I've heard him chastise elitist, big-spending conservatives before.

Iriemon · 10-03-07, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquapub

Here's an email I got from the Media Research Center:

++ Rush Limbaugh is under attack. Your immediate action is needed.

See details. Robert, The radical left activist group, Media Matters (funded by George Soros and others) has launched an all-out smear attack against Rush Limbaugh. And the liberal media are shamelessly promoting the assault. Their goal? To force Rush off the air. Unless our MRC Action Team takes a stand right now, they could actually succeed.

Here is what is happening: Media Matters is claiming that Rush called any soldier that opposes the war a "phony soldier." In fact, Rush was referencing an anti-war activist who falsely and despicably passed himself off as an Army Ranger and Purple Heart winner. Rush was calling the phony soldier a "phony soldier"!

MSNBC willfully echoed the liberal attack campaign againstRush -- despite the obvious spin and deception by MediaMatters. CBS's online "Public Eye" then joined in. And now, liberals in Congress are trying to get Rush removed from Clear Channel radio.

+ + Urgent Action Items Action #1 -- Demand Clear Channel Radio "Keep Rush." Our contacts tell us liberal groups are floodingClear Channel with demands to get Rush removed. Go here to Email or Call Clear Channel to support Rush:

MRC Action Action #2 --

Flood Congress with calls today. Liberal Senators are moving a resolution forward to publicly denounce Rush. We are urging all members of the MRC ActionTeam to contact your Congressman and Senators telling them you are offended by this action and urge them to oppose any legislative measure attacking Rush.

Here's the link for contacting your congressmen too:

GOP.com | Republican National Committee :: Action Center - Write Elected Officials

Jeez that would be a tragedy for you. How would you then be informed about the world without Rush?

aquapub · 10-03-07, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

Ask Jim Rassmann, whose life Kerry saved, if Kerry was an actual war hero.

OpinionJournal - Featured Article

Kerry never lied about his military service. His medals were documented by military records, and not one Swift Boat veteran lie was ever proven. The SBVT debacle was a despicable campaign dirty trick to promote a man who chose not to serve in Vietnam at all.

Of all the people who served with him and say he is full of crap, you found one who doesn't. Impressive.

Still waiting on Kerry to release those military records like he promised, BTW.

Oh, and there have also been several thorough investigations into the claims of Rassmann, and there are many inconsistencies.

Why James Rassmann Is Honestly Mistaken About John Kerry Saving His Life

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

Whatever you think about war heroes Kerry and Cleland, the purple heart bandaids were an insult to every purple heart recipient.

To fake ones, sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

Cleland was against the war. OBL was for it, and it has served him very well for AQ recruitment.

Bin Laden just got done chastising Democrats for not forcing a retreat from Iraq. He also shared their talking points on things like global warming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

OBL is more like Bush because both of them attacked innocent countries.

Afghanistan and Iraq are the only countries we've attacked thus far, so you must be mistaken.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

What is it specifically that makes Petraeus an ACTUAL war hero? I agree he is a hero for serving, but so are Kerry, Cleland, and McCain, all of whom were attacked by Republicans.

Petreaus earned:

-Defense Distinguished Service Medal
-Distinguished Service Medal
-Defense Superior Service Medal
-Legion of Merit
-Bronze Star Medal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanda

And there is some question as to whether the surge is a success.

Even numerous Democrats have stated otherwise.

aquapub · 10-03-07, 04:50 PM

Here's Media Matters' own account of the Limbaugh statement:

"LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers."

Media Matters - Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers"

This was just after it was pointed out that phony soldier, Jesse MacBeth's lies were reported by the media without verification of any kind. It is ridiculous to spin these two statements as unrelated. Clearly one directly stemmed from the other.

10-02-07, 06:28 PM	#53
The silenced majority Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Last Seen: 12-30-09 06:40 AM Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 3,648 Thanks: 1,129 Thanked 1,262 Times in 727 Posts Lean: Conservative Gender:	Re: Conservatives: Read This Email Don't you think it's kind of odd calling for the defense of a man who's made a career of spinning his political foes' sound bytes on the basis he's been victimized by somebody else spinning his sound byte? I'd be more compelled to defend him if he hadn't spent so much time in recent years focusing on the out of power minority party in congress. When, IMO he should have been chastising the supposedly "conservative" Senate and House that had been quickly going out of control and departing from their roots.

10-03-07, 04:50 PM	#60
aquapub Sage Join Date: Apr 2005 Last Seen: 03-05-10 12:15 PM Location: America (A.K.A., a red state) Posts: 7,259 Thanks: 159 Thanked 339 Times in 261 Posts Lean: Conservative Gender:	Re: Conservatives: Read This Email Here's Media Matters' own account of the Limbaugh statement: "LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people. CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media. LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers. CALLER 2: The phony soldiers." Media Matters - Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers" This was just after it was pointed out that phony soldier, Jesse MacBeth's lies were reported by the media without verification of any kind. It is ridiculous to spin these two statements as unrelated. Clearly one directly stemmed from the other.
	__________________ http://www.patrioticunderground.com/ Last edited by aquapub; 10-03-07 at 05:01 PM.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

LinkBacks (?) LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/23916-conservatives-read-email.html
Posted By	For	Type	Date
Military support for the republican candidates » The Truth @ The Spin Factor	This thread	Refback	10-07-07 09:17 AM
Why are we provoking an irrational war with Iran? » The Truth @ The Spin Factor	This thread	Refback	10-02-07 07:47 PM