MoveOn.org Gets Discount Rate For ‘Betray Us’ Advocacy Ad

aquapub · 09-13-07, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dclxvinoise

Then it isn't treason. You can call it what you want until you are blue in the face, but it changes nothing. However, you should keep in mind for the future that it only is treason in your opinion and not in reality as they haven't been convicted of such.

So you're willing then to admit that Tom Delay (R) was innocent and never broke any campaign finance laws...he wasn't convicted, after all, which means he couldn't possibly have just committed a crime and gotten away with it, right?

Dr_Patrick · 09-13-07, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aquapub

Jane Fonda blatantly committed treason but was never prosecuted. Your point here is completely invalid. Conviction in a court of law is not what determines whether or not a crime has been committed, just what has been accepted by a jury. It is a particularly idiotic fallacy to assign such infallibility to our criminal justice system.

Well, opinion certainly doesn't determine who has and hasn't committed treason. Conviction proves it a helluva lot more than opinion does.

Dr_Patrick · 09-13-07, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by aquapub

So you're willing then to admit that Tom Delay (R) was innocent and never broke any campaign finance laws...he wasn't convicted, after all, which means he couldn't possibly have just committed a crime and gotten away with it, right?

My only point is that you can call it treason all you want, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it actually is treason. It's your opinion and nothing more.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 09-13-07, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dclxvinoise

Well, opinion certainly doesn't determine who has and hasn't committed treason. Conviction proves it a helluva lot more than opinion does.

I'll repeat the question: What would you calling exposing operation Echelon that made OBL go off the grid?

Dr_Patrick · 09-13-07, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

I'll repeat the question: What would you calling exposing operation Echelon that made OBL go off the grid?

It doesn't matter what I would call it because even my opinion wouldn't make it fact. Nor does yours.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 09-13-07, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dclxvinoise

It doesn't matter what I would call it because even my opinion wouldn't make it fact. Nor does yours.

It's not an opinion that giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treason it's a fact.

Dr_Patrick · 09-13-07, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

It's not an opinion that giving aid and comfort to the enemy is treason it's a fact.

No, but it is your opinion what constitutes giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

TheNextEra · 09-16-07, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by aquapub

Conviction in a court of law is not what determines whether or not a crime has been committed, just what has been accepted by a jury. It is a particularly idiotic fallacy to assign such infallibility to our criminal justice system.

Ah remember that next time someone calls Bush a criminal. He doesn't have to have been convicted for him to have committed a crime.

Hatuey · 09-16-07, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

Leaking classified information; such as, the existence of Echelon which got OBL to go off the grid isn't treason? What would you ****ing call it there sparky?

The NYT didn't leak the classified information. People working ECHELON did. The NYT PUBLISHED the leak. Are you so blind as to believe that the NYT simply walked into CIA headquarters and simply asked to see the files on E?

Adding : The existence of ECHELON had been known since at least 1999 so your point is mute :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

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Former CSE agent, Fred Stock, revealed in the Ottawa Citizen (May 22, 1999) that Canada had used the surveillance system known as ECHELON to spy on the French Government over the Saint-Pierre and Miquelon boundary dispute.

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On July 6, 2000 the BBC published an article called Echelon: Big brother without a cause? that said:

The Echelon spy system, whose existence has only recently been acknowledged by US officials, is capable of hoovering up millions of phone calls, faxes and emails a minute. [...] Echelon evolved out of Cold War espionage arrangements set up by the US and UK in 1948, and later bringing in Australia, Canada and New Zealand, in their capacity as Britain's Commonwealth partners. The biggest of Echelon's global network of listening posts is at Menwith Hill, North Yorkshire, where about 30 "giant golf balls" called radomes litter the landscape. The system also boasts 120 American satellites in geostationary orbit. Bases in the five countries are linked directly to the headquarters of the secretive US National Security Agency (NSA) headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland. The system's superpowerful speech recognition capability enables it to filter billions of international communications for whatever key words or word patterns are programmed in

However I dare you to try and continue this the "NYT is guilty of treason" game.

Stinger · 09-16-07, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by niftydrifty

"Last week the New York State Conservative Party paid $45000 for a full-page ad in The New York Times. It was knocking Senator Moynihan for voting against going to war in the Gulf."

link

What does the rate from FIFTEEN YEARS AGO have to do with the issue here?

Or didn't you bother to read your link?

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