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3-year-old raped by uncle, officials say

I made a choice. Instead of moving yet another thread, and again, making SgtRock's posting an administrative issue, I decided to, as a poster, address and debate the real issue at hand. SgtRock responded in kind. You could, too. You all could. Let's discuss the issue:

How much culpability do you think parents have when they, knowingly, put their children near a known child molester and allow them to interact with that person unsupervised, and, henceforth, said child is molested? I say removal for negligence at the least, prosecution as accessories at the most.

What say y'all?
Well let's see, it's a bit difficult to debate anything seriously when the OP makes a statement in that the reason for rape incest and so on of this particular instance involves the mexican culture itself actually promoting it.
That the parents because they are mexican's hence allow for such an instance to go on - which is total bullshit.
But I get it now, if the poster continues to post bullshit within the forum of threads that do not belong in certain sub-forums then that poster can get away with it and no longer will said threads be moved.
OK, so back to posting breaking news about climate back in the breaking news section, which was somehow unexplainably moved in the first place - maybe personal reasons of mods having issue with climate not allowed in the breaking news section?
 
Well let's see, it's a bit difficult to debate anything seriously when the OP makes a statement in that the reason for rape incest and so on of this particular instance involves the mexican culture itself actually promoting it.
That the parents because they are mexican's hence allow for such an instance to go on - which is total bullshit.
But I get it now, if the poster continues to post bullshit within the forum of threads that do not belong in certain sub-forums then that poster can get away with it and no longer will said threads be moved.
OK, so back to posting breaking news about climate back in the breaking news section, which was somehow unexplainably moved in the first place - maybe personal reasons of mods having issue with climate not allowed in the breaking news section?

No, the issue here is that a 3 year old was raped by an uncle, known to be a child molester by the parents, who happened to be an illegal immigrant. The first part of the sentence is the primary focus, which is now under debate. The second part is ancillary, and doesn't need to be. You can either chose to debate it or not.

As far as the thread being moved, doing so will in no way allow the primary issue to be debated...sad considering it's importance. It is my experience that threads such as these, when moved get ignored. Let's try something different and try to debate the topic at hand, instead of just slamming the OP's motivations, regardless of his motivations.

If I'm wrong, and this goes nowhere, I'll be the first to admit my error and move the thread.

Now enough administrative stuff. How should these parents be dealt with?
 
No, the issue here is that a 3 year old was raped by an uncle, known to be a child molester by the parents, who happened to be an illegal immigrant. The first part of the sentence is the primary focus, which is now under debate. The second part is ancillary, and doesn't need to be. You can either chose to debate it or not.

As far as the thread being moved, doing so will in no way allow the primary issue to be debated...sad considering it's importance. It is my experience that threads such as these, when moved get ignored. Let's try something different and try to debate the topic at hand, instead of just slamming the OP's motivations, regardless of his motivations.

If I'm wrong, and this goes nowhere, I'll be the first to admit my error and move the thread.

Now enough administrative stuff. How should these parents be dealt with?
Parents? They never were parents to begin with - sterilized so as to prevent them from having any more children that they will be irresponsible for.

such threads become ignored when moved because when you take away the sarges racial hatred towards mexicans there's nothing left to be said about the criminal acts. Everyone here despises these criminal acts and the criminals themselves regardless of their status.
But in an act of honesty the sarge has finally admitted of his xenophobia and insists that it's the mexican culture that promotes crime. Hence we can expect to see many more of these pointless crime threads.
 
Parents? They never were parents to begin with - sterilized so as to prevent them from having any more children that they will be irresponsible for.

Thank you. An agreeable solution.

such threads become ignored when moved because when you take away the sarges racial hatred towards mexicans there's nothing left to be said about the criminal acts. Everyone here despises these criminal acts and the criminals themselves regardless of their status.
But in an act of honesty the sarge has finally admitted of his xenophobia and insists that it's the mexican culture that promotes crime. Hence we can expect to see many more of these pointless crime threads.

And if these threads cannot be 'turned' than they will be 'dealt with'.
 
No, it does not belong in the "Sex and Sexuality" forum.
Rape is not about sex or sexuality.
It is a crime of violence.

A raped, bleeding 3-year-old has nothing to do with "sex".
She is a victim of a violent crime.

What a reprehensible suggestion.

Yeah really. This is not only about the crime, but who's committing it as well. If it weren't so consistent, it would merely be about the crime. But it is a common factor in that culture, so it must be exposed as both to get to the bottom of it.
 
“…Though there are no reliable statistics, rape is thought to be exceedingly common in Mexico. It is estimated that at most, one in 10 victims report the crime. Government officials have reported an estimated incidence of about 120,000 to 130,000 rapes per year; but Marianne Mollmann, the women’s rights advocacy director for Human Rights Watch, said the real number is probably closer to one million.

“In many states (in Mexico) sex with a minor is only a crime if the child is “honest” and “chaste,” and in many states the age of consent is 12, 13, 14 or “at puberty” regardless of age. And the criminalizing of incest victims means that incest cases are rarely prosecuted. In 2005, for example, the state of Guanajato investigated a woman for incest after her father, who had been molesting her since age six, reported her to authorities. The woman’s husband told Human Rights Watch that the local public prosecutor threatened to arrest his wife on incest charges.

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=503739
 
Illegal aliens are also partial to gang rape, as an 18-year-old woman in Immokalee, Florida, found out in October 2005. Fourteen illegal aliens dragged her from her home into a residence across the street. They choked her until she passed out, then awakened her by pouring alcohol into her mouth. After the feral gang raped her, they pushed her out the door. They arrogantly stayed at the scene until police arrived to arrest them.

In 2002, a gang of illegals raped and sexually tortured a woman for three hours near Shea Stadium in New York before police interrupted the attack. They ravaged her like a “pack of wild wolves,” she wrote in a letter to New York Supreme Court Justice Randall Eng.

And in Klamath Falls, Oregon, in August 2002, an illegal immigrant, Maximiliano C. Esparza, attacked two nuns as they were walking along a bike path, praying the rosary. Head-butting one of them, he used their rosaries to choke them while he raped them. When he was finished killing Sr. Helen Chaska, the sacramental was embedded in her neck. Liquored up at a strip bar before the crime, Esparza, like many illegals, had a record of violent crime and had been deported. Just months before Esparza raped and murdered Sister Helen, the Border Control had detained and released him.

Im telling you its part of there culture. ~ Sgt Rock


read the reat of this story at the link below

Chronicles: A Magazine of American Culture | Your Home for Traditional Conservatism » “Family Valuesâ€�: Illegal Aliens and Their Sex Crimes
 
this demagoguery is outrageous. this is why obsession with pedophiles is bad, it provides a spring board for hate mongers. I assume a thought process something like this "Mexicans...are bad...pedophiles...are bad...therefore...Mexicans...are pedophiles. Now I will selectively pick through news stories and distort all context to portray this as the truth."

Be glad your on the internet, on any other forum you'd be laughed off stage...or have things thrown at you.

I will now maintain, for the rest of this thread, that Reagan was a pedophile. Purely because I don't like him.
 
Im telling you its part of there culture. ~ Sgt Rock



As a Mexican descendant with family members still in Mexico, I'm telling you it's not part of their culture. Mexicans, especially in small towns, are quite religious and wouldn't stand for any rape or pedophilia. It's not common and if that were to happen to any of my cousins or aunts I can assure you their male relatives would be out there with a shotgun in a heartbeat to fulfill justice for their female relative. I have never witnessed any of this to be acceptable and for you to say rape can be a ritual or whatever is completely false. Why even as a young woman whenever I stay in my family's town in Mexico, I have never felt threatened or the need to feel alarmed when I walk around at night alone.


Captain Courtesy said:
How much culpability do you think parents have when they, knowingly, put their children near a known child molester and allow them to interact with that person unsupervised, and, henceforth, said child is molested? I say removal for negligence at the least, prosecution as accessories at the most.

What say y'all?

I would agree. I know many people(of all races) who have that "scary uncle"and know better than to leave children alone with them. It's the parent's responsibility to know who their child is with at all times and to knowingly leave their child with a known molester is negligent and I agree they are accessories to the crime.
 
Sgt Rock said:
Im telling you its part of there culture. ~ Sgt Rock

Really? So then you would condemn them if they immigrated legally as well? Total shocker!

"We can't allow legal immigration from them, pedophilia is in their culture!"

And you wonder why people think you're a bigot...
 
Yeah really. This is not only about the crime, but who's committing it as well. If it weren't so consistent, it would merely be about the crime. But it is a common factor in that culture, so it must be exposed as both to get to the bottom of it.
Consistent with the culture? Prove it.
 
As a Mexican descendant with family members still in Mexico, I'm telling you it's not part of their
culture.

Tell me if this doesn't happen in Mexico. A Family of Panhandlers will use their children to beg because kids are cute, helpless and easier to have sympathy for. Once the kid turns 12, she's not as cute anymore so what do they do with their useless 12 year old panhandler? Get her pregnant to make more cute little hustlers.

I would agree. I know many people(of all races) who have that "scary uncle"and know better than to leave children alone with them.

So?
 
As a Mexican descendant with family members still in Mexico, I'm telling you it's not part of their culture. Mexicans, especially in small towns, are quite religious and wouldn't stand for any rape or pedophilia. It's not common and if that were to happen to any of my cousins or aunts I can assure you their male relatives would be out there with a shotgun in a heartbeat to fulfill justice for their female relative. I have never witnessed any of this to be acceptable and for you to say rape can be a ritual or whatever is completely false. Why even as a young woman whenever I stay in my family's town in Mexico, I have never felt threatened or the need to feel alarmed when I walk around at night alone.




I would agree. I know many people(of all races) who have that "scary uncle"and know better than to leave children alone with them. It's the parent's responsibility to know who their child is with at all times and to knowingly leave their child with a known molester is negligent and I agree they are accessories to the crime.


You are of mexican decent, are you familiar with rapto? Are all the stories about this custom on the internet fabrications?
 
Mexican government officials have reported an estimated incidence of about 120,000 to 130,000 rapes per year; but Marianne Mollmann, the women’s rights advocacy director for Human Rights Watch, said the real number is probably closer to one million.

Those are not my words.
 
You honestly believe that this is a cultural mentality that causes them to be a pedophile or a rapists?
Well then by default we will have to say that the catholic church is equally pedophilic then.
This is nothing but a sick twisted wacko - has nothing at all to do with race or culture.

Actually, jfuh, he is correct. Mexico, particularly the outling states, do not often prosecute rape or sex-related crime. Some people believe this is a cultural issue; it isn't, it's a result of mexican mafia inflitration/corruption of the mexican government.

:mrgreen:
 
Actually, jfuh, he is correct. Mexico, particularly the outling states, do not often prosecute rape or sex-related crime. Some people believe this is a cultural issue; it isn't, it's a result of mexican mafia inflitration/corruption of the mexican government.

:mrgreen:
Does the non-prosecution have more to do with government corruption and incompetence or an actual cultural aspect which, btw, good luck proving.
 
Tell me if this doesn't happen in Mexico. A Family of Panhandlers will use their children to beg because kids are cute, helpless and easier to have sympathy for. Once the kid turns 12, she's not as cute anymore so what do they do with their useless 12 year old panhandler? Get her pregnant to make more cute little hustlers.

So my brother in law, who is mexican, just happened to look over my shoulder at this post, and thought it was the one of the most offensive and racist things he had ever read.
 
some naturalized citizens:

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Charles Manson

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John Wayne Gacy

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Jeffery Dahmer

Let's send them back to their country!

Of the three above murderers, only Charles Manson is still alive and he serving a life sentence.
 
OK, folks, I and a few other posters gave it a try...to turn this thread into a reasonable discussion of what the issue here is; as the title states, a 3-year old raped by her uncle, and the concerns the article has around parents who allowed this child to interact with this uncle who had been accused of molesting others. Apparently, this has been an unsuccessful endeavor, as, once again, an issue has been demeaned by the ancillary illegal immigration issue. If the topic were about poor enforcement of rape crimes in Mexico, I'd assume the thread would be titled that way. It is not. I will now bow out of my 'poster' role, and move into my 'mod' role.

Moderator's Warning:
Stay on topic folks, paying attention to the thread title. This thread could become Basement fodder real quick.
 
Cap'n, it's hardly possible (or responsible) to simply ignore the level of racism expressed in this thread.
What if it were Jews they were saying such things about?

:?
 
The OP was talking about how the behavior is condoned by mexican law, and how its supposedly part of the culture. the OP put this racist tinge on it from the beginning, cap'n. If the three year old was white american, we would have never heard about it.
 
No, it does not belong in the "Sex and Sexuality" forum.
Rape is not about sex or sexuality.
It is a crime of violence.

A raped, bleeding 3-year-old has nothing to do with "sex".
She is a victim of a violent crime.

What a reprehensible suggestion.

EDIT: Captain Courtesy said everything that i was going to post here.

(Though we should have a "Crime" forum)
 
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So my brother in law, who is mexican, just happened to look over my shoulder at this post, and thought it was the one of the most offensive and racist things he had ever read.

Truth hurts! What's racist about it though? This is quite a real. Goto Tijuana and Ensenada. Be a part of any tour in Mexico and they'll tell you all about it. Don't give money to these kids, give them food or something else that is only for them. But I guess this is just Racist Propaganda coming from the Mexicans themselves ey? Tell your brother in law he's a hyper sensitive race-card player that needs to stiff upper lip and realize that sad truths are not hate filled generalizations. I know it's cool and everyone does it, but restrain from "dats waycist! >:[" for every little bit of criticism and truth against any creed(which isn't just always race or requires race) as racist. That's for stupid easily offended cry babies only.

OK, folks, I and a few other posters gave it a try...to turn this thread into a reasonable discussion of what the issue here is; as the title states, a 3-year old raped by her uncle, and the concerns the article has around parents who allowed this child to interact with this uncle who had been accused of molesting others. Apparently, this has been an unsuccessful endeavor, as, once again, an issue has been demeaned by the ancillary illegal immigration issue. If the topic were about poor enforcement of rape crimes in Mexico, I'd assume the thread would be titled that way. It is not. I will now bow out of my 'poster' role, and move into my 'mod' role.

Moderator's Warning:
Stay on topic folks, paying attention to the thread title. This thread could become Basement fodder real quick.

see: http://www.debatepolitics.com/feedback-suggestions/23232-split-forums-when-topics-go-off-topic.html
 
EDIT: Captain Courtesy said everything that i was going to post here.

(Though we should have a "Crime" forum)

Cap'n Courtesy may have "said everything you want to say", but Cap'n Courtesy knows that you are misguided and incorrect (albeit innocent of ill intent), and that rape is a crime of violence, and not about sex at all.
He's a friggin' psychologist; let's hope he knows that.
 
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