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3-year-old raped by uncle, officials say

Ok, here we go. From the definitive expert on the english language...

sex

• noun 1 either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions. 2 the fact of belonging to one of these categories. 3 the group of all members of either sex. 4 sexual activity, specifically sexual intercourse.

• verb determine the sex of.

— DERIVATIVES sexer noun.

— ORIGIN Latin sexus.
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AskOxford: sex

See if you can find the word "consensual" in there.
 
Thelost1 said:
Well of course not, because Shish Kababs aren't made of Frozen Creme, which is the only real requirement of being "Ice Creme"

Sexual intercourse without consent is still sexual intercourse, and is still carried out in the same way (unlike the preperation of shish kababs and ice creme).

Anyways, I would like a link to a credible source that says that rape isn't sex (I mean even the results are the same, aside from those thatresult from doing anything at all with/without consent).
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Just google the term "rape is not sex" (in quotation marks).
The results are far too numerous, and from sources far too diverse, for me to waste time posting here. So there's the social aspect.
As for statements to that effect from reputable psychiatric organizations such as the APA, I'll leave that to Cap'n, since it's his bag (unless he doesn't show up tonight, in which case I'll tackle it myself).
Although I'm not sure that reputable psychiatric sources are going to spell it out in such simplistic terms, because that would be sort of like trying to find the phrase "the sun is hot" in reputable astronomy texts or sources. Ie, you won't find it. You might, at best, find out how hot it is, but only if you shuffle through a bunch of other superfluous crap first.

I mean, here. Maybe this'll get you started: CSAP

Myth: Rape is sex.

Fact: Rape is not sex. It is a crime motivated by the need to control, humiliate, and harm. Rapists use sexual violence as a weapon.

From the R.A.P.E. Center:

Myth: RAPE is sex.
Reality: Rape is a crime motivated by a need to control, humiliate and harm. Rapists use sexual assault as a weapon to hurt and dominate others.


I'm not going to do this all day, though, and waste a bunch of bandwidth in the process.
You can do this research your own self, and it will be better for you if you do, than having me spoon-feed you.
 
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see edit. I've given you a source. Find the rest yourself, or find something to disprove my position and prove your own.
Otherwise, stop butting in with this maladroit twaddle.
 
Just google the term "rape is not sex" (in quotation marks).
The results are far too numerous, and from sources far too diverse, for me to waste time posting here. So there's the social aspect.
As for statements to that effect from reputable psychiatric organizations such as the APA, I'll leave that to Cap'n, since it's his bag (unless he doesn't show up tonight, in which case I'll tackle it myself).
Although I'm not sure that reputable psychiatric sources are going to spell it out in such simplistic terms, because that would be sort of like trying to find the phrase "the sun is hot" in reputable astronomy texts or sources. Ie, you won't find it. You might, at best, find out how hot it is, but only if you shuffle through a bunch of other superfluous crap first.
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Translation:

We should never tell young men that they shouldn't have sex with a girl if she says no.

Instead we should tell them that if they have sex with a girl, she must have wanted it. Otherwise it would have been impossible for them to have sex with her.:roll:
 
Panache said:
Translation:

We should never tell young men that they shouldn't have sex with a girl if she says no.

Instead we should tell them that if they have sex with a girl, she must have wanted it. Otherwise it would have been impossible for them to have sex with her.:roll:
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Correct. There is no such thing as "sex" with an unwilling partner.
If "she says no", and he persists, that is not sex, it is rape.
We should teach boys not to rape.
 
Myth: It is OK to force sex if a couple has been dating a long time.

Fact: The length of the relationship does not matter. It is never OK for one partner to force sex on the other partner.
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So according to you, your own source is lying. Since it IS ok to force sex if a couple has been dating a long time.

Given that you don't consider it a trustworthy source, why did you cite it?
 
Correct. There is no such thing as "sex" with an unwilling partner.
If "she says no", and he persists, that is not sex, it is rape.
We should teach boys not to rape.
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And we should also teach them that rape is always a crime of violence.

Therefore as long as they have sex in a way that isn't violent, it is ok.
 
Hell, Lost, if you still need convincing, google the phrase "Rape is sex" and see what sorts of 'reputable sources' you come up with. :cool:
 
Here's a good one, as it addresses the "non-premeditated" defense, too:

Myth: Rape is sex.
Fact: Rape is experienced by the victims as an act of violence. It is a life-threatening experience. While sexual attraction may be influential, power, control and anger are the primary motives. Most rapists have access to a sexual partner. Gratification comes from gaining power and control and discharging anger. This gratification is only temporary, so the rapist seeks another victim.

Myth: Rape is a crime of passion.
Fact: Rape is an act of VIOLENCE, not passion. it is an attempt to hurt and humiliate, using sex as the weapon.

link
 
1069 said:
Hell, Lost, if you still need convincing, google the phrase "Rape is sex" and see what sorts of 'reputable sources' you come up with. :cool:
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You have said this three times now.

I have not yet responded because my two-day old sister just came home. This is slightly exciting, as you can imagine.

I will, though.
 
Thelost1 said:
You have said this three times now.

I have not yet responded because my two-day old sister just came home. This is slightly exciting, as you can imagine.

I will, though.
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That's a lie.
I said it only once.
But whatever; your credibility could hardly sink lower, so say whatever you like.
 
1069 said:
see edit. I've given you a source. Find the rest yourself, or find something to disprove my position and prove your own.
Otherwise, stop butting in with this maladroit twaddle.
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I'm not going to do this all day, though, and waste a bunch of bandwidth in the process.
You can do this research your own self, and it will be better for you if you do, than having me spoon-feed you.
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Hell, Lost, if you still need convincing, google the phrase "Rape is sex" and see what sorts of 'reputable sources' you come up with.
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Just google the term "rape is not sex" (in quotation marks).
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Now, will you please:

1) Stop insulting me
2) Stop getting so worked up every time someone disagrees with you.
3) Give me some Godd@mn time to respond.
 
Thelost1 said:
Now, will you please:

1) Stop insulting me
2) Stop getting so worked up every time someone disagrees with you.
3) Give me some Godd@mn time to respond.
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I initially said for you to google the phrase "rape is not sex".
If you do so, you will find 14,000-plus sources.

Later, I suggested that you instead try googling the phrase "rape is sex" (which is the point you're trying to prove, after all), and see what you come up with.
At which point you started screeching nonsensically about your personal life (which I could care less about; I'm only here to debate), and falsely accusing me of repeating myself 'three times', when in fact I never repeated myself even once.

It's like, take a Xanax, dude. :?
 
Myth: Rape is sex.
Fact: Rape is experienced by the victims as an act of violence. It is a life-threatening experience. While sexual attraction may be influential, power, control and anger are the primary motives. Most rapists have access to a sexual partner. Gratification comes from gaining power and control and discharging anger. This gratification is only temporary, so the rapist seeks another victim.
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Oh, this just keeps getting better.

So along with teaching young men that as long as they arn't violent, they can do whatever they want, we should also teach them that:

It is a life-threatening experience.
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So as long as you make sure that the girls life is not in danger, it is not rape.

While sexual attraction may be influential, power, control and anger are the primary motives.
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So as long as power control and anger are not your primary motives, it is not rape.

Most rapists have access to a sexual partner.
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So if you don't have access to a willing sexual partner, you probably arn't a rapist.

Gratification comes from gaining power and control and discharging anger.
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If gratification comes from an orgasm, regardless of whether you have gained power, control, or discharged anger, it is not rape.

This gratification is only temporary, so the rapist seeks another victim.
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And last, but not least... even if it is life threatening to the girl, and the primary motives are power control and anger, and you have access to a willing partner, it still isn't rape as long as you don't seek another victim.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Way to make a positive difference.
 
Myth: Rape is a crime of passion.
Fact: Rape is an act of VIOLENCE, not passion. it is an attempt to hurt and humiliate, using sex as the weapon.
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Translation: If you are just looking to get laid, go ahead. Since your motivation is just to sexually gratify yourself using a womans body, it isn't rape. And since it isn't rape, and it involves sexual intercourse, it must be sex. And we all know that sex by definition is consensual, so the girl must have wanted it.:roll:
 
Ok, here we go:

You said (in reference to consensual sex):

1069 said:
There is no other kind of sex.
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Implying that you believe:
1) Non-consensual sexual intercourse is not sex
2) Rape is not sex

I disagree with this. I believe that:

Thelost1 said:
That's ridiculous. Sexual intercourse (which is what is referred to when people say "sex") can be done with or without someone's consent.
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Meaning that I believe:
1) Sexual intercourse is sex whether consensual or not.
2) Rape is sex by virtue (heh, virtue) of being sexual intercourse, which is also sex.

I said nothing about the motivations of rape, sex, or sexual intercourse. I am only saying that rape is sex, and the psychological motivations of rape and consensual sexual intercourse are not part of the core question of "what is rape?". In other words, my position is that Rape is the violent crime of sex without consent.

This means that the psychology of rape and sexuality is irrelevant, because the core question is not asking "What is rape about?" or "what motivates rape?".

In order to show that "Rape" is "Sex" (according to the Transitive Property), I must show that "Sex" is "Sexual intercourse", and that "Sexual intercourse" is "Rape".

In order to do this I have two definitions from the Oxford English Dictionary:

sex

• noun 1 either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions. 2 the fact of belonging to one of these categories. 3 the group of all members of either sex. 4 sexual activity, specifically sexual intercourse.

• verb determine the sex of.

— DERIVATIVES sexer noun.

— ORIGIN Latin sexus.
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This means that "Sex" is "Sexual intercourse"

Rape1

• verb 1 (of a man) force (another person) to have sexual intercourse with him against their will. 2 spoil or destroy (a place).

• noun an act or the crime of raping someone.

— ORIGIN originally denoting violent seizure of property: from Latin rapere ‘seize’.
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This shows that "Sexual intercourse" is "Rape".

Therefore, according to the transitive property of Equality (formality is fun!), "Rape" is "Sex" by virtue of both being "Sexual intercourse".

I cannot give a better proof than that.
 
1069 said:
I initially said for you to google the phrase "rape is not sex".
If you do so, you will find 14,000-plus sources.

Later, I suggested that you instead try googling the phrase "rape is sex" (which is the point you're trying to prove, after all), and see what you come up with.
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See below, I did not mean that you repeated yourself exactly.

At which point you started screeching nonsensically about your personal life (which I could care less about; I'm only here to debate),
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I'm sorry, I was explaining why I could not respond quickly to your posts.

and falsely accusing me of repeating myself 'three times', when in fact I never repeated myself even once.
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Not in the same words, but you did tell me to go get my own sources quite a lot.

This is kind of a pity, because I respect you as a debater, but you have continually ignored what I have been saying in favor of proving (though to whom I cannot say) that Rape is motivated by violent urges. Perhaps i was not clear enough?

You have also made insulting claims about other posters, that NCFY doesn't care about women (or dislikes them, I can't remember), that am incompetent, and that my explanation for why I cannot respond immediately is "Screeching".

I would like for you to stop this.
 
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Thelost1 said:
I would like for you to stop this.
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Tough sh!t.
Maintaining the "respect" of misogynists who actively attempt to prove detrimental lies such as "rape is about sex" is low- low- on my current list of priorities.
 
1069 said:
Tough sh!t.
Maintaining the "respect" of misogynists who actively attempt to prove detrimental lies such as "rape is about sex" is low- low- on my current list of priorities.
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Y'know, I just spent 2-3 paragraphs catagorically stating that I realize that rape is not about sex and that it is motivated by violence.

Clearly, improving your reading comprehension is likewise not on your list of priorities. I suppose that its easier to simply label people as mysogynists (though how saying that rape is motivated by lust shows a dislike for women I do not know), even when they are women (lke Talloulou).

Kindly read my posts in full before responding.
 
Maintaining the "respect" of misogynists who actively attempt to prove detrimental lies such as "rape is about sex" is low- low- on my current list of priorities.
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I think maybe you are confused as to what the word "mysogynist" means. What does it mean to you?
 
Panache said:
I think maybe you are confused as to what the word "mysogynist" means. What does it mean to you?
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It means nothing to me, as there's no such word.
The word misogynist, on the other hand, means a person who harbors hatred, strong dislike, prejudice, and/or fear of females.
 
1069 said:
It means nothing to me, as there's no such word.
The word misogynist, on the other hand, means a person who harbors hatred, strong dislike, prejudice, and/or fear of females.
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I think that he was wondering how the current debate in ths thread relates to misogyny.
 
I think that he was wondering how the current debate in ths thread relates to misogyny.
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I was rather.

Tough sh!t.
Maintaining the "respect" of misogynists who actively attempt to prove detrimental lies such as "rape is about sex" is low- low- on my current list of priorities.
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First off. He didn't even say that "rape was about sex."

He said that it was just plain ridiculous to say that there was no other kind of sex other than consensual sex.

Secondly, even if he did say "rape is about sex" it has absolutely nothing to do with misogyny.
 
Panache said:
I was rather.



First off. He didn't even say that "rape was about sex."

He said that it was just plain ridiculous to say that there was no other kind of sex other than consensual sex.

Secondly, even if he did say "rape is about sex" it has absolutely nothing to do with misogyny.
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I love you man!

...

but not in a homosexual way.

Kinda like...Jesus!
 
Thelost1 said:
I love you man!

...

but not in a homosexual way.

Kinda like...Jesus!
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Well, holy buggery ducknuts, Batman.
Where's the Cap'n when you need him?? :?
 
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