The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution

Vader · 08-13-07, 06:46 PM

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." - Thomas Jefferson

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. "Free" men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we ALREADY have, don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

26. "A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Iriemon · 08-13-07, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Vader

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." - Thomas Jefferson

That supposed statement appears to be urban legend, no doubt created and promulgated by the pro-gun lobby.

Those who hammer their guns into plows - Thomas Jefferson Wiki

jfuh · 08-13-07, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vader

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. "Free" men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.
11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we ALREADY have, don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

26. "A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."

I can agree with all this except there's just one problem. Who gets guns?

chevydriver1123 · 08-13-07, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vader

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." - Thomas Jefferson

FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

3. Colt: The original point and click interface.

4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

7. "Free" men do not ask permission to bear arms.

8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.

11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.

13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

14. Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.

15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.

16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.

18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

19. Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer.

20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.

21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.

22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we ALREADY have, don't make more.

24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.

26. "A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Im telling you the 2 Amendment will protect the country alot more than these so called right wing nut job "patriots"

jfuh · 08-14-07, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chevydriver1123

Im telling you the 2 Amendment will protect the country alot more than these so called right wing nut job "patriots"

Amen to that - the government should fear it's people, not the people fear it's government
Here's an actual Jefferson quote.

Quote:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

That's impossible without the 2nd.

rivrrat · 08-14-07, 09:46 AM

Sweet list!!

WI Crippler · 08-14-07, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

That supposed statement appears to be urban legend, no doubt created and promulgated by the pro-gun lobby.

Those who hammer their guns into plows - Thomas Jefferson Wiki

Well whoever did say it was right on the balls......

I'll claim it, if no one else wants to....

Iriemon · 08-14-07, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vader

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13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
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I thought since Jefferson's statement was bogus, I'd check the veracity of this one, which sounded dubious to me given that over ten thousand people die from gunshot wounds each year, not including the many more that use them to commit suicide.

I did a google news search on the key words "shot" and "killed."
There were 43,599 hits.

Headlines excerpts from just the first 10 pages of the 43,599 hits:

Man shot and killed at Duluth apartment
Atlanta Journal Constitution, USA - Aug 13, 2007

Cincinnati Enquirer, OH - 5 hours ago
FAIRFIELD - A 41-year-old Fairfield man who fatally shot himself in a seven-hour standoff with police had threatened his girlfriend with a gun just before ...

Daily Press, VA - 1 hour ago
Christopher Jones was shot and killed during a fight outside of the Liquid Blue Gentleman's Club. Police charged 32-year-old Lennox Sullivan of Newport News ...

KHOU (subscription), TX - 1 hour ago
A man shot and killed and southwest Houston on Tuesday morning may have died over as little as $6. Witnesses saw a vehicle pull into a parking lot near ...

WSBtv.com, GA - Aug 13, 2007
A 20-year-old man was shot dead early Sunday when he kicked down the front door of another man's house in Creola. Authorities said Justin Cox got into an ...

San Jose Mercury News, USA - 22 hours ago
A man killed in San Mateo over the weekend was a San Francisco police officer, it was confirmed today. Sgt. Steve Mannina said this morning, ...

The Times-Picayune - NOLA.com, LA - 10 hours ago
Two people were shot fatally and a third wounded Monday night in the Treme neighborhood, New Orleans police said. The triple shooting occurred about 10:40 ...

New York Times, United States - 3 hours ago
... 20; and Terrance Aeriel, 18; were killed with shots to the back of the head. Mr. Aeriel’s 19-year-old sister, Natasha, was shot but survived. ...

Greensboro News Record, NC - 19 hours ago
As police investigated Lloyd's shooting, officers were told that another person was also shot. Police searched a wooded area next to 257 Flowers St., ...

Florida Times-Union, FL - 4 hours ago
By The Times-Union A Jacksonville shop owner shot and killed an apparent robber after taking a bullet in the stomach himself Monday morning on Blanding ...

California man believed to have killed 6-year-old with cleaver
International Herald Tribune, France - 16 hours ago
Sharp was arrested at the apartment complex after neighbors restrained him until deputies arrived. He was shot several times with a stun gun during the ...

Newsday, NY - Aug 13, 2007
One of the men in the second group pulled out a gun and shot Story and his three friends, age 18, 19 and 20, hitting Story and wounding his friends, ...

Dallas Morning News (subscription), TX - Aug 13, 2007
During the course of an argument, police said the new husband's relative shot and killed the woman's ex-husband. There was no word whether anyone had been ...

Fort Worth Star Telegram, TX - 4 hours ago
... was killed late Sunday after bursting into the home of his ex-wife in southwest Fort Worth, where he was then shot in the face by the woman's brother, ...

Man killed in daytime shooting in NN
Daily Press, VA - 15 hours ago

Mo. Church Shooting Stuns Community
Forbes, NY - 15 hours ago

Kansas City Star, MO - 16 hours ago
Kansas City police today identified a man killed in an early morning shooting as Gregory D. Strickland, 44, of Kansas City. Strickland was among three men ...

Husband, wife killed at Nevada County home; woman's ex surrenders
WMC-TV, TN - Aug 13, 2007

Man, 70, killed in Two Notch wreck
The State, SC - 10 hours ago

Husband, wife killed at Nevada County home; woman's ex surrenders
WMC-TV, TN - Aug 13, 2007

1 Killed, 1 Hurt in Shooting Outside Pool Hall
WOAI, TX - Aug 13, 2007

Police: Man Shot by Cop Terrorized Reading Neighborhood
WFMZ-TV Online, PA - 16 hours ago

This is only a small fraction of the total number of stories.

To assert that no one was killed yesterday by firearms in America is a lie regardless which day you look at.

Misquoting Jefferson and lying about the facts. Kind of makes me wonder how truthful the rest of the points are.

Iriemon · 08-14-07, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WI Crippler

Well whoever did say it was right on the balls......

I'll claim it, if no one else wants to....

Claim away, and feel free to say whatever you want.

But to assert that Thomas Jefferson, one of the most respected founders of the nation, said it is a misrepresentation.

rivrrat · 08-14-07, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Iriemon

To assert that no one was killed yesterday by firearms in America is a lie regardless which day you look at.

Misquoting Jefferson and lying about the facts. Kind of makes me wonder how truthful the rest of the points are.

He didn't say "no one" was killed by firearms. He said xxxxxxx number of firearms owners did not kill anyone yesterday. I assume that said number is the current number of legal firearms owners minus the daily average of firearms deaths.