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Is it now time for America to bomb England in the name of freedom, justice, peace ?

Tashah said:
I caught robin doing exactly the same thing in one of her other threads....

"Iraqi war tantamount to swatting flies"

In Post #18 (above link) I clearly document how robin altered her statements when her argument began to unravel and crumble.

This is the second thread (that I know of) in which her proclivity for deception and word twisting has been exposed. Clearly, she amends her arguments on the fly to suit her anti-American agenda and frowns on historicity, veracity, and truthfulness.

A viable and treasured credibility simply does not exist in or emanate from this personality.




See that's what I'm talking about. I'd just say. "I ripped her a new one and she ran away to spew the same filth somewhere else. She's full of it." But you make it sound so ........civil. No wonder I sleep in the basement. But someone has to put newspapers on the floor for champs.
 
robin said:
How many innocent Iraqis have you killed even though they had less to do with 911 than your flying schools ?
Answer = 23,000
How many innocent people have the terrorists killed in London, Madrid & 911 ?
Answer = 3250.
Who are the terrorists ?
Answer = Bush & Bin Laden.


And how many of the Kurds did Hussein slaughter, simply because he thought he could? I am guessing the numbers are close to 100,000, maybe?
 
debate_junkie said:
And how many of the Kurds did Hussein slaughter, simply because he thought he could? I am guessing the numbers are close to 100,000, maybe?

Don't bring that one up because I did in another post and the US got blamed for that too. GEZZ, talk about hatred.

As for being a religious nut, Robin, GO READ MY OTHER POSTS! It is not the religion it is the relationship I have with God. I never once said I was religious.

Can't take the heat get the hell out of the kitchen!
 
Robin. I understand your being upset. I hear the anger in your voice at those that would invade other countries. I've read your points and hear the frustration you and so many others display. If you don't mind let me say the following.
(posted by teacher)

I ask this question... I understand you being upset. I hear the anger in your voice at those who would invade other countries. I'm wondering...WHY AREN'T YOU UPSET AND DIRECTING THE ANGER TO THOSE THAT INVADED YOU...THE TERRORISTS. WHY ARE YOU NOT PUTTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS WHERE IT BELONGS....ON THEM?
Get a grip.
 
debate_junkie said:
And how many of the Kurds did Hussein slaughter, simply because he thought he could? I am guessing the numbers are close to 100,000, maybe?
Well you are fast catching up in the slaughtering of Iraqis.
How come you only worry about dictators that are a threat to oil but install dictators in the Americas becuase you prefer fascist dictators to democratically elected socialists ?
So don't kid me that you invaded Iraq to liberate the people. Anywhere else you don't care about people under dictators.
America only ever serves it's own interests. If anyone else benefits, then that's purely incidental.
Go read this....
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html
 
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The US military, the CIA and others that you fund have committed far more terrorist atrocities against innocent, non-combatant civilians around the world than perhaps any other contemparary power monopolizing organizations in the world. Upwards of a million civilian were systematically exterminated in Vietnam alone.

We have to laugh when you blindsided, brainwashed amerikans get together to compile your statistics, more proof that statistics do not lie---people lie. You had better stick to blowing horns, strumming, tickling ivories, rolling out tattoos or whatever it is you do in the musical scene. When it comes to regard for the truth---you do not possess one iota of it. You are supporting the largest mose deadly terrorist organization there is, the United States government and its military industrial complex.
 
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I didn't realize I was in the comic section. Sorry. :)
 
robin said:
The US military, the CIA and others that you fund have committed far more terrorist atrocities against innocent, non-combatant civilians around the world than perhaps any other contemparary power monopolizing organizations in the world. Upwards of a million civilian were systematically exterminated in Vietnam alone.

We have to laugh when you blindsided, brainwashed amerikans get together to compile your statistics, more proof that statistics do not lie---people lie. You had better stick to blowing horns, strumming, tickling ivories, rolling out tattoos or whatever it is you do in the musical scene. When it comes to regard for the truth---you do not possess one iota of it. You are supporting the largest mose deadly terrorist organization there is, the United States government and its military industrial complex.


And where do you live? FRANCE?
 
teacher said:
See that's what I'm talking about. I'd just say. "I ripped her a new one and she ran away to spew the same filth somewhere else. She's full of it." But you make it sound so ........civil. No wonder I sleep in the basement. But someone has to put newspapers on the floor for champs.


Tasha is just classy that way. I enjoy reading her posts as well.
 
cindy said:
Oh please...Are you forgetting that the British Army took part as well. How may Brits and Americans have DIED defending our countries?


With a "student" like Robin, there's just no talking to her, let her & the rest of the nipple ring set live in the land od OZ.
 
Originally quoted by tr1414:
With a "student" like Robin, there's just no talking to her, let her & the rest of the nipple ring set live in the land od OZ.
Because....because....because......were off to see the wizard....


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robin said:
Well you are fast catching up in the slaughtering of Iraqis.
How come you only worry about dictators that are a threat to oil but install dictators in the Americas becuase you prefer fascist dictators to democratically elected socialists ?
So don't kid me that you invaded Iraq to liberate the people. Anywhere else you don't care about people under dictators.
America only ever serves it's own interests. If anyone else benefits, then that's purely incidental.
Go read this....
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html


I doubt the US could EVER touch the number of Iraqi's slaughtered that their ex leader did. Because in the deaths of the kurds, there were also countless deaths of normal Iraqi men who were murdered in front of their families because they spoke ILL of the regime. Children starved because the AID that poured into Iraq lined Sadaam's pockets.

And robin... I guess you could ask Tony Blair and Parliament the same question. But the truth is... the US has been involved in helping to curb several human rights attrocities over the years. Somolia, Bosnia-Hertzogovina, plenty of dialogue with China about their's, to name a few.

Many MANY nations have come to the US to help, either monetarily or militarily in their fight against oppressive organizations. However, as a nation, we've also had to pick and choose those to be helped. I'm sorry that we cannot help them all, and I believe the feeling is a good bit of the nation feels the same way.

BUT before you start condemning the US government, perhaps you may want to take your own to task.
 
The US military, the CIA and others that you fund have committed far more terrorist atrocities against innocent, non-combatant civilians around the world than perhaps any other contemporary power monopolizing organizations in the world.

Not really, your military is probably the most Humane military on the face of the planet, sure each army has it's batch of bad soldiers and downright horrible people (Abu Ghraib) but your army is the one army that volunteers soldiers and supplies to guard food routes in 3rd world nations that are ripped apart by war, your army invented the civilian food supply drop, your army is the most generous on earth, you give food and water to those who cannot receive it, you stopped the slaughter in Kosovo and have since opened supply routes manned by your NATO troops. It's a shame you think so poorly about your military when it not only defends you but does so much for people around the world, including mine. The CIA is not an evil monolithic organization, it does not commit terrorist acts, it commits covert acts just like every secret service agency in the world, they supply arms to rebels which last I checked is not a terrorist act, they assassinate people only with the express permission of a congressional watch dog group and the President, which is more than any other agency does. They do what they have to do. Just like MI6 and MI5, the GSG9, Mossed, etc.

Up wards of a million civilian were systematically exterminated in Vietnam alone.

Saying that they were systematically exterminated implies that the US army carved up the Vietnamese into regions moved in killed them all, withdrew snapped off ona clipboard and moved to the next zone and then killed them all there as well. Despite what you might think your government is not a Nazi government. The war claimed the lives of civilians due to North Vietnam's un-relenting ambition to control South Vietnam, as a result North Vietnam got bombed and South Vietnam got it's civilians butchered by NVA soldiers and US troops were tortured to the point of insanity and death by the NVA. Read this quote and really understand it. "None are immune from the fires of war; it is all consuming." Civilians were doomed to die, just like they are in all wars.


Well you are fast catching up in the slaughtering of Iraqis.
How come you only worry about dictators that are a threat to oil but install dictators in the Americas because you prefer fascist dictators to democratically elected socialists ?
So don't kid me that you invaded Iraq to liberate the people. Anywhere else you don't care about people under dictators.
America only ever serves it's own interests. If anyone else benefits, then that's purely incidental.


Saddam Hussein was a Hitler of our times just as Slobadon was, he waged a war of ethnic cleansing against the Kurd's, he used WMD's against them and the Iranians which killed thousands. His torture chambers were large and frequently used, he killed over 250,000 of his people and squandered the money he was supposed to use to feed them. I think the Iraqi's like not getting lined up and shot, but hey what do I know. Also just so you know before you try and respond the Insurgency is made up of 70% Syrians, Jordanians, Saudi's, Iranians, basically Muslim foreign nationals. So with a whopping 30% of the insurgents actually being IRAQI'S! What does that tell you? I know what it tells me, your killing the Arab terrorists, not fighting an insurgency against US support in Iraq.

Why do you hate America so much?
 
robin said:
Up wards (Upwards) of a million civilian(s) were systematically exterminated in Vietnam alone.
(Grammatical corrections bolded)

Typically, you are nebulous here and do not statistically break down Vietnamese civilian war deaths by region (North/South) or causation (Viet Cong-NVA/ARVN/USA). You simply make an unsubstanciated claim and infer that all deaths related to this claim are causal to US forces.

You use the term *systematically* which necessitates an overarching pre-meditation and a systemic modus operandi. Can you point me to even one legitimate document that concurs with your inexplicable indictment?

You also use the transitive verb *extermination* which is reserved for a thorough elimination of life forms, with genocide being the applicable term for human extermination. Clearly, you are attempting to equate civilian deaths in Vietnam with a purposeful and legitimate genocidal event (ie. the Holocaust, Armenia, Rwanda, Cambodia etc.). Horiffic events such as these do not linger on the mere edge of perception. They are well documented events that are rewarded with the revulsion of both history and humanity.

As in the other thread where we clashed, I remind you that regardless of your agenda, patronizing attitude, and low estimation of others in this community... there are oodles of bright and intelligent folks here who have the capacity and wherewithal to uncover and expose your anti-American expeditions into willful subterfuge and wanton deception.


 
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Tashah said:
(Grammatical corrections bolded)

Typically, you are nebulous here and do not statistically break down Vietnamese civilian war deaths by region (North/South) or causation (Viet Cong-NVA/ARVN/USA). You simply make an unsubstanciated claim and infer that all deaths related to this claim are causal to US forces.

You use the term *systematically* which necessitates an overarching pre-meditation and a systemic modus operandi. Can you point me to even one legitimate document that concurs with your inexplicable indictment?

You also use the transitive verb *extermination* which is reserved for a thorough elimination of life forms, with genocide being the applicable term for human extermination. Clearly, you are attempting to equate civilian deaths in Vietnam with a purposeful and legitimate genocidal event (ie. the Holocaust, Armenia, Rwanda, Cambodia etc.). Horiffic events such as these do not linger on the mere edge of perception. They are well documented events that are rewarded with the revulsion of both history and humanity.

As in the other thread where we clashed, I remind you that regardless of your agenda, patronizing attitude, and low estimation of others in this community... there are oodles of bright and intelligent folks here who have the capacity and wherewithal to uncover and expose your anti-American expeditions into willful subterfuge and wanton deception.
verbiage, Verbiage Verbiage. I'm glad you think my grammar is the issue more important that a million dead. I think are doing that patronisation. This stuff is rattled off as in conversation. It's not a book what difference does the odd typo or gramatical error make.
What difference is there between carpet bombing Hanoi or dropping Dioxin in forest with villages & sticking some Jews in a room & emptying a cannister of Zyclon B in it ?
It kills innocent people either way. It's all a disgusting crime against humanity & as always driven by some blind faith in a flag or that's one's country is always right just like the Nazis thought they were right.
The cause in Nam could not justify what was done there. Truman should have listened to Minn in 1945 & let the Vietnamese become a western friendly democracy from brutal French Rule. Big big big big mistake that he ignored Minn's letters pleas for help. Nam could have been as sweet as S Korea.
 
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robin said:
verbiage, Verbiage Verbiage. I'm glad you think my grammar is the issue more important that a million dead. I think are doing that patronisation. This stuff is rattled off as in conversation. It's not a book what difference does the odd typo or gramatical error make.
What difference is there between carpet bombing Hanoi or dropping Dioxin in forest with villages & sticking some Jews in a room & emptying a cannister of Zyclon B in it ?
It kills innocent people either way. It's all a disgusting crime against humanity & as always driven by some blind faith in a flag or that's one's country is always right just like the Nazis thought they were right.
The cause in Nam could not justify what was done there. Truman should have listened to Minn in 1945 & let the Vietnamese become a western friendly democracy from brutal French Rule. Big big big big mistake that he ignored Minn's letters pleas for help. Nam could have been as sweet as S Korea.

If you don't there is a difference between bombing Hanoi and pushing crowds of woman and children and men into a room and then gassing them, then incinerating their corpses in an oven, then there is something sick and wrong with you. The bombing against Hanoi was part of war, just like the NVA shelling of cities in the Tet offensive. What the Americans were doing was industrialized warfare, what the Nazi's did was industrialized murder. Don't ever try to compare them. The Vietnam War was just that a war, and as a result people died, Hanoi a center of arms production and center of the NVA was a clear target, and as the war progressed and the last leg the NVA stood on was the mass of farms they had we decided to take those down. It's basic military tactics, take out the line of supply to the enemy and he shall fall. Vietnam was nearly won, and if it had been won maybe it would have been as sweet as the fruits borne by South Korea. If you remember the US had just spent hundreds of thousands of it's sons to liberate France and Europe, they were not going to throw France to the wind so soon after WW2. Also there was serous concern that France and England would fall apart after WW2 and France nearly did with bloody revolts in Algeria, and all of it's SE Asia colonies, as well as a homeland in ruins. Also don't act like the NVA were so nice and peachy, I have seen the videos of what they did to captured US soldiers, I have heard first hand accounts of the horror of their torture. They were fiends.
 
superskippy said:
If you don't there is a difference between bombing Hanoi and pushing crowds of woman and children and men into a room and then gassing them, then incinerating their corpses in an oven, then there is something sick and wrong with you. The bombing against Hanoi was part of war, just like the NVA shelling of cities in the Tet offensive. What the Americans were doing was industrialized warfare, what the Nazi's did was industrialized murder. Don't ever try to compare them. The Vietnam War was just that a war, and as a result people died, Hanoi a center of arms production and center of the NVA was a clear target, and as the war progressed and the last leg the NVA stood on was the mass of farms they had we decided to take those down. It's basic military tactics, take out the line of supply to the enemy and he shall fall. Vietnam was nearly won, and if it had been won maybe it would have been as sweet as the fruits borne by South Korea. If you remember the US had just spent hundreds of thousands of it's sons to liberate France and Europe, they were not going to throw France to the wind so soon after WW2. Also there was serous concern that France and England would fall apart after WW2 and France nearly did with bloody revolts in Algeria, and all of it's SE Asia colonies, as well as a homeland in ruins. Also don't act like the NVA were so nice and peachy, I have seen the videos of what they did to captured US soldiers, I have heard first hand accounts of the horror of their torture. They were fiends.
Arrogance beyond belief !
You think a bomb with stars & stripes painted on it killing women & children is fine then. You are insane. You are as callous as a Nazi. If you are a jew in that case you need to take a close look at yourself. As regards what the NVA did to your troops in THEIR country.... I saw a programme about pinkville massacre. Your troops well I can't say it... the precise details about how they raped 13 tear olds in THEIR country. It's too bad to say what they did. The guys involved.. GI witness's interviewed on film. Do you think you were the nice guys napalming villages or gooks as your pilots called them. Why did they bomb them.... there may have been communists there.
They'd been living there in peace for decades minding their own ****ing business then you arrogant murderers come along & bomb them just cos they might be commies. 20 minutes & the village raised to the earth like Hitler's barbarosa in Russia. You are a ****ing retard if you cannot see the immorality of that. All done in the name of the great freedoms on offer from the West. Then after you got your arrogant ass's rightfully kicked out of their country, communism didn't spread throughout Indo China did it ?
What a waste of life & money that war was. How evil... how ****ing absurd.
 
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robin said:
Arrogance beyond belief !
You think a bomb with stars & stripes painted on it killing women & children is fine then. You are insane. You are as callous as a Nazi. If you are a jew in that case you need to take a close look at yourself. As regards what the NVA did to your troops in THEIR country.... I saw a programme about pinkville massacre. Your troops well I can't say it... the precise details about how they raped 13 tear olds in THEIR country. It's too bad to say what they did. The guys involved.. GI witness's interviewed on film. Do you think you were the nice guys napalming villages or gooks as your pilots called them. Why did they bomb them.... there may have been communists there.
They'd been living there in peace for decades minding their own ****ing business then you arrogant murderers come along & bomb them just cos they might be commies. 20 minutes & the village raised to the earth like Hitler's barbarosa in Russia. You are a ****ing retard if you cannot see the immorality of that. All done in the name of the great freedoms on offer from the West. Then after you got your arrogant ass's rightfully kicked out of their country, communism didn't spread throughout Indo China did it ?
What a waste of life & money that war was. How evil... how ****ing absurd.

You know, you should believe everything you see on TV or read off the internet.
 
robin said:
Arrogance beyond belief !
You think a bomb with stars & stripes painted on it killing women & children is fine then. You are insane. You are as callous as a Nazi. If you are a jew in that case you need to take a close look at yourself. As regards what the NVA did to your troops in THEIR country.... I saw a programme about pinkville massacre. Your troops well I can't say it... the precise details about how they raped 13 tear olds in THEIR country. It's too bad to say what they did. The guys involved.. GI witness's interviewed on film. Do you think you were the nice guys napalming villages or gooks as your pilots called them. Why did they bomb them.... there may have been communists there.
They'd been living there in peace for decades minding their own ****ing business then you arrogant murderers come along & bomb them just cos they might be commies. 20 minutes & the village raised to the earth like Hitler's barbarosa in Russia. You are a ****ing retard if you cannot see the immorality of that. All done in the name of the great freedoms on offer from the West. Then after you got your arrogant ass's rightfully kicked out of their country, communism didn't spread throughout Indo China did it ?
What a waste of life & money that war was. How evil... how ****ing absurd.


Robin, you are a over age hippy. The only retard here is YOU. I think you make these stupid posts just to hear yourself talk & make people made. Your the kind of person that has no life.
And you don't know what the hell your talking about. Communism didn't spread to Loas & Cambodia? You are fulled with self-hate & hate for America. The best part of your day must be when people get so sick of the bullshit you post that we have to respond to you. Have another bon-bon & make it back to your room before bed-check. You need help.
 
Re: Is it now time for America to bomb England in the name of freedom, justice, peace

robin said:
... you arrogant murderers...
You are a ****ing retard
Where are the moderators on this dude?
I know you guys allow a lot in the name of free speech and discussion/debate... but is it tolerable to directly insult someone like that! Or to say one's religion is all in their head? YOu can believe this, you can debate it, but to just flat out say, you are an idiot for your beliefs...(?)

just askin
 
robin said:
Arrogance beyond belief !
You think a bomb with stars & stripes painted on it killing women & children is fine then. You are insane. You are as callous as a Nazi. If you are a jew in that case you need to take a close look at yourself. As regards what the NVA did to your troops in THEIR country.... I saw a programme about pinkville massacre. Your troops well I can't say it... the precise details about how they raped 13 tear olds in THEIR country. It's too bad to say what they did. The guys involved.. GI witness's interviewed on film. Do you think you were the nice guys napalming villages or gooks as your pilots called them. Why did they bomb them.... there may have been communists there.
They'd been living there in peace for decades minding their own ****ing business then you arrogant murderers come along & bomb them just cos they might be commies. 20 minutes & the village raised to the earth like Hitler's barbarosa in Russia. You are a ****ing retard if you cannot see the immorality of that. All done in the name of the great freedoms on offer from the West. Then after you got your arrogant ass's rightfully kicked out of their country, communism didn't spread throughout Indo China did it ?
What a waste of life & money that war was. How evil... how ****ing absurd.

Still you don't seem to understand the difference between Industrialized Murder, and Industrialized war, which is what the bombing of an enemy combatants city entails. I never said I never saw immorality in the death of civilians or some of the atrocities committed by US soldiers (and NVA mostly.), all I said was that there is a difference from shoving all of my grandfathers family into a gas chamber and then burning their corpses, and bombing the city of Hanoi.

They'd been living there in peace for decades minding their own ****ing business then you arrogant murderers come along & bomb them just cos they might be commies.

The Vietnamese had been fighting an insurgency against the French for decades and with the advent of communism the rebellion got larger and the communist forces gained the upper hand. Also you seem to get the impression that my country bombed Vietnam and that my people were murderers there, last time I checked my nation has never been to Vietnam.

You think a bomb with stars & stripes painted on it killing women & children is fine then. You are insane. You are as callous as a Nazi. If you are a Jew in that case you need to take a close look at yourself. As regards what the NVA did to your troops in THEIR country.... I saw a programme about pinkville massacre. Your troops well I can't say it... the precise details about how they raped 13 tear olds in THEIR country. It's too bad to say what they did. The guys involved.. GI witness's interviewed on film. Do you think you were the nice guys napalming villages or gooks as your pilots called them. Why did they bomb them.... there may have been communists there.

How dare you call me as callous as a Nazi, I lack my entire family from my grandfathers side and half of my mothers because of what they did. My family line is dying out, there are 6 of us left from the 27 at the start of 1939. You have no concept of history, war or what the Nazi's did. Be silent.

So because the NVA were in their own country they had the right to rip off US soldiers thumbs with pliers and torture them until they went completely insane or killed them? So if you come to my country I can take out my screwdriver and start wrenching out teeth? Use logic before you start ranting.

US soldiers napalmed villages and stretches of forest without even knowing half the time what they were hitting, Vietnamese villages are not exactly the biggest or easiest thing to see from several thousand feet and within miles of dense forest. Also the NVA sheltered themselves in the villages and gather recruits from them, it was the NVA line of supply and Hanoi was the kingpin. Also it was not THEIR country when they invaded South Vietnam.

I have a few things to say to you. 1. Your a pompous ass who knows little to nothing about the Nazi's or Vietnam. 2. You don't need to rant and curse to get your point across it makes you look like an angry twelve year old. 3. Read a few history books. 4. Figure out that I'm not an American as you so lovingly refer to in your rant.

If you can respond to my post in a civilized manner, with out going off on a tangent of cursing like a child, then feel free to respond I would be glad to debate you then.
 
Robin said:
... you arrogant murderers...You are a ****ing retard
tr1414 said:
Robin, you are a over age hippy. The only retard here is YOU.
MODERATOR GAVEL
:smash:
Hey gang, let's knock off the personal attacks. If I missed anyone else attacking, spank yourself for me.

/MODERATOR GAVEL
 
superskippy said:
Still you don't seem to understand the difference between Industrialized Murder, and Industrialized war, which is what the bombing of an enemy combatants city entails. I never said I never saw immorality in the death of civilians or some of the atrocities committed by US soldiers (and NVA mostly.), all I said was that there is a difference from shoving all of my grandfathers family into a gas chamber and then burning their corpses, and bombing the city of Hanoi.

They'd been living there in peace for decades minding their own ****ing business then you arrogant murderers come along & bomb them just cos they might be commies.

The Vietnamese had been fighting an insurgency against the French for decades and with the advent of communism the rebellion got larger and the communist forces gained the upper hand..
So are you saying they weren't entitled to be free fron a brutal French colonial rule ? The US installed a despot dictator in South Nam. Great way to fight for democracy eh.
superskippy said:
How dare you call me as callous as a Nazi, I lack my entire family from my grandfathers side and half of my mothers because of what they did. My family line is dying out, there are 6 of us left from the 27 at the start of 1939. You have no concept of history, war or what the Nazi's did. Be silent...
Here we go... the classic hard done by Jew. His family were all killed. That is an absolute tragedy I agree. It was utterly disgusting & wicked what the Nazis did. I've watched as many if not more accounts of the holocaust than you. But then the classic line so it's OK for the Americans.. our allies to kill millions around the world with their meddling in other countries affairs becuase they are upholding democracy & will help avoid more holocausts. What you forget is the USA has backed neo nazi regimes around the world especially in the Americas.
The US cherry picked all the Frankenstien Nazis like Von Braun that were of any use to them regardless of Pina Munda.
The Nazis that escaped never did better than under the fascists tyrants installed by the CIA in the Americas.

superskippy said:
So because the NVA were in their own country they had the right to rip off US soldiers thumbs with pliers and torture them until they went completely insane or killed them? So if you come to my country I can take out my screwdriver and start wrenching out teeth? Use logic before you start ranting.
US soldiers napalmed villages and stretches of forest without even knowing half the time what they were hitting, Vietnamese villages are not exactly the biggest or easiest thing to see from several thousand feet and within miles of dense forest. Also the NVA sheltered themselves in the villages and gather recruits from them, it was the NVA line of supply and Hanoi was the kingpin. Also it was not THEIR country when they invaded South Vietnam.
Yes of course torture is wrong... So is being present & meddling in someone else's country 6k miles from your own. So was Pinkville massacre against non combatants I might add.
As regards carpet bombing.. If they couldnt' see whether they were bombing enemy or civillians then they shouldn't have bombed then should they. Even when they knew it was civillians they bombed. There is a well known UK journalist Max Hastings. He covered the Nam war. Went up in skyhawk jets. The pilots just napalmed villages whilly nilly saying 'oh they are only gooks' there'. Remind you of something.. eh ?
Nazis bombing & torching Russian villages on the grounds that there were only Jews & slavs there.
Finally get the **** out of Palestinian lands & get back to the pre 67 border & stop treating them like ***** then they might stop bombing you. Violence begats violence.
 
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So are you saying they weren't entitled to be free fron a brutal French colonial rule ? The US installed a despot dictator in South Nam. Great way to fight for democracy eh.

For one I never said that I simply pointed out your view on that historical fact was incorrect.

Here we go... the classic hard done by Jew. His family were all killed. That is an absolute tragedy I agree. It was utterly disgusting & wicked what the Nazis did. I've watched as many if not more accounts of the holocaust than you.

So you have seen video's and accounts of the death camps. How many people do you know that died there? Don't be so arrogant as to assume that because you have seen videos of the slaughter of my people that it makes you an expert.

But then the classic line so it's OK for the Americans.. our allies to kill millions around the world with their meddling in other countries affairs because they are upholding democracy & will help avoid more holocausts. What you forget is the USA has backed neo Nazi regimes around the world especially in the Americas.

Ah the Contra war against the Sandestina's? If you recall the Contras were not Neo Nazi regimes nor were the fascist. They were a disaffected political group within Nicaragua. That the US government supplied arms to so they could fight the communist regime there.

The US cherry picked all the Frankenstein Nazis like Von Braun that were of any use to them regardless of Pina Munda.

And the Russians got Herbert Valfen and countless other scientists. The west took what they could and the Soviets took what they could. We were on the edge of a long stand off and everyone knew it and wanted the best edge they could get. Also the Americans deported almost all of the Nazi's once they were through with them, and as of late they have set up an agency to find the ones that are left so that they can be deported as well.


Yes of course torture is wrong... So is being present & meddling in someone else's country 6k miles from your own. So was Pinkville massacre against non combatants I might add.

I'll say again I don't condone massacres, nor do I condone rape as you imply. Also the war in Vietnam was fought to back up the Democratic government of South Vietnam against the Communist invasion from the North. Do you remember the videos of thousands of people trying to flee and escape the Vietnamese after they overran the SVA? The Americans left them to fight alone and in the end they were crushed and are now under the boot of the North Vietnamese. That is one of the few wrongs I see with the American intervention in Vietnam.

As regards carpet bombing.. If they couldn't see whether they were bombing enemy or civilians then they shouldn't have bombed then should they.

Have you ever been to Vietnam or any SE Asian county for that matter? The reason the Vietcong survived was because of the dense jungles that covered the villages and bases. It was damn near impossible to find the targets but they knew the Vietcong were in the forests in the thousands and they wanted to kill them. Thats how war works like it or not.

Even when they knew it was civilians they bombed. There is a well known UK journalist Max Hastings. He covered the Nam war. Went up in skyhawk jets. The pilots just napalmed villages whilly nilly saying 'oh they are only gooks' there'. Remind you of something.. eh ?

Well for one thing I would never base my entire belief of Vietnam because of the report of a Journalist. Don you even know how the Vietcong survived? They had the support of the local villages and hid there as bases. They were bases, recruitment centers, and arms depots.

Nazis bombing & torching Russian villages on the grounds that there were only Jews & Slavs there.

Yeah ya know I'm getting sick of your referrals from the US action and Vietnam and the whole sale slaughter of 13 million people at the hands of the Nazi's. You have little grasp for history and seemingly little grasp on reality.

Finally get the **** out of Palestinian lands & get back to the pre 67 border & stop treating them like ***** then they might stop bombing you. Violence begats violence.

I'm guessing you have never, ever been to Israel or even the Gaza Strip or West Bank in your whole life. Don't talk of things you have little understanding for, which in your case is a lot. The Palestinians don't deserve the pre 1967 borders. The Arabs not the Jew's launched the first attack in 1948, and the Arabs mobilized for war before the 1967 war which forced us to strike first. Violence begat's violence? Well then we will have to accept it and kill them faster than they kill us. And we are getting damn good at it after 60 years. Peace will not come from ceding land, the Palestinians want us gone completely and that will not happen while the Jews still hold Israel. We will not be driven into the sea.

Also once again you refrain to ramblings and excessive cursing in what is supposed to be a civilized debate. You look like an angry child when you do that, so for your own sake act more mature.
 
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