Iriemon

Kind of like being a vengence tactic used by an upset christian who doesn't what the truth about christianity exposed?

Vader

It's allowed under Sharia law and Sharia law is only an issue in Islamic countries.

As usual, you're attempting to blur the issue, Irie. If not for Islamic interference in the government of that country, this attack may not have happened.

Muslims mistreat women and children with full impunity under Sharia law. It happens every day in just about every Islamic country.

A great example of was the murder of a 15 year-old girl in Iran --- which occurred by a state-sanctioned hanging FROM AND ****ING CRANE. This occurred because one of the mullahs decided she violated the law of chastity.

Again, this type of conduct is rampant in muslim countries because Islam is running the government.

Therefore, Islam IS VERY MUCH THE PROBLEM!



I agree. Issues like this are indicative of a societal failure to separate religious beliefs from their government offices. If Islam had not been allowed to interfere in government matters, an Iranian girl would not have been hung from a crane for no reason.

As long as Islam is allowed to interfere in governmental affairs, Islam will continue to be marred by rape, murder, oppression, and various other crimes.

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Vader

Christianity has had its moments but for the most part it has modernized and current with the times. Islam, on the other hand, has not modernized and still lives in the 15th century.

Again, your argument is defeated.

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Vader

No, it's not. That is an extremist view. Christianity has existed much longer than Islam; therefore, Islam is not the ALPHA religion. That is pure unmitigated islam-o-nazi bull****. Shame on you for even saying it.

I do pick on Islam, I do not deny this fact, however, I do not called Christianity the "Alpha" religion. That would be extremism and I would never go there. You went there and try to be all serious about it, which just proves my point about islamic brainwashing and propaganda.

Shame on you sir.

May allah strike down your camel and your tent!

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Iriemon

Sorry, but because of your previous record of veracity I'm unwilling to believe it just on your say-so.

The truth frequently does that to your statements.

How so?

I certainly do not agree with concepts of Iranian law or justice, particularly in that case. Can you imagine jailing and penalizing someone without a lawyer, trial or proof of guilt. That is barbaric IMO, I completely disagree with that.

However, while your post is thought provoking, it was unrelated to my question which referred to your statement that:

Islam, specifically the teachings of Islam that state that it is acceptable to attack, rape, or otherwise injure a woman who is not wearing clothing that covers everything but her face and hands, is directly to blame here.

and more specifically for this thread, and how it was Islam "caused" the murder of the girl in the OP.

I thought the OP was about a girl murdered in Indonesia? Why are you talking about someone in Iran?

Your point is that rape, murder and other crimes happen more often in Islamic nations than, for example, the US?

Do you have any authority for that proposition?

Iriemon

Someone forgot to tell that to those Christians in Indonesia who beheaded those Muslim fellows!

Iriemon

LOL -- bhkad being called to the mat by Vader for being too pro-muslim!

This place is better than the soaps. : )

Shame on you bhkad!!!

LMFAO!!!

Vader

Ask any Iranian, Palestinian, Saudi Arabian, or Lebanese people you would like. What I said IS THE TRUTH.


What you call truth the rest of the world (who are not brainwashed Islam-o-zealots) calls propaganda. Islamic clerics, imams, ayetollahs, ect... have never once even considered telling the truth; therefore, islamics and their supporters are NOT ALLOWED to speak on what is the truth and what is not.

The teachings of Islam are such that women, who dress in any clothing other than those allowed under a riduculously outdated view of society, are thought of as whores and are then subject to attack, ridicule, rape, and murder.

In addition to that, muslims flat refuse to treat women as equals BECAUSE ISLAM SAYS WOMEN ARE NOT EQUAL TO MEN. This propagates a great deal of violence against women.

This is what Islam teaches its followers and it is the reason why Islam is to blame for what happened to that girl.

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Iriemon

So you claim.

I'm not the one making claims I can't back up here, am I?

So you claim.

Vader

10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
In 2001, Iranian officials sentenced three men to flogging not only for illicit sex (see reason no. nine), but also for drinking alcohol.
In 2005, in Nigeria a sharia court ordered that a drinker should be caned eighty strokes.

In 2005, in the Indonesian province of Aceh, fifteen men were caned in front of a mosque for gambling. This was done publicly so all could see and fear. Eleven others are scheduled to undergo the same penalty for gambling.

9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.
In 2004, Rania al—Baz, who had been beaten by her husband, made her ordeal public to raise awareness about violence suffered by women in the home in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi television aired a talk show that discussed this issue. Scrolling three—fourths of the way down the link, the readers can see an Islamic scholar holding up sample rods that husbands may use to hit their wives.
The Quran says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (MAS Abdel Haleem, the Qur'an, Oxford UP, 2004)

The hadith says that Muslim women in the time of Muhammad were suffering from domestic violence in the context of confusing marriage laws:

8. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.
In 2003, in Saudi Arabia a man had two teeth extracted under the law of retaliation.
In 2003, a court in Pakistan sentenced a man to be blinded by acid after he carried out a similar attack on his fianc�e.
In 2005, an Iranian court orders a man's eye to be removed for throwing acid on another man and blinding him in both eyes.
The Quran says:

5:45 And We ordained therein for them: Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth and wounds equal for equal. But if anyone remits the retaliation by way of charity, it shall be for him an expiation. And whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are the
Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers . . .). (Hilali and Khan,the Noble Qur'an, Riyadh: Darussalam, 1996)

Full Article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/...sharia_is.html

As you can plainly see ... Islam and it's babariy ALLOWS AND ENDORSES CRIMES AGAINST WOMEN.

It would appear that you're the one living in denial.

So you claim.[/quote]

It's not a claim. You can keep playing the denial game but in the end you will find that I am correct.[/quote]

For the record, the Sharia should be opposed for its imposition of theocracy over democracy, its abuse of human rights, its institutionalized discrimination, its denial of human dignity and individual autonomy, its punishment of alternative lifestyle choices, and for the severity of its punishments.

Full article here: http://www.ntpi.org/html/whyoppose.html

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