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Old 08-29-07, 04:46 PM   #121
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Re: Yet another dispicable deed caused by Islam!

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Now, when somebody post that Mohammed was a child molester, I'll answer: "Among the most detestable villains in history, you could not find one worse than Moses. Here is an order, attributed to 'God' to butcher the boys, to massacre the mothers and to debauch and rape the daughters"

I had never heard about this! But it's a great counter argument
They forgot to include it in the Charleston Heston version of the events. But it is in Numbers 21 and 31 and Deuteronomy 2, among other places.
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Re: Yet another dispicable deed caused by Islam!

Hey everyone, back off of Moses! I dunno what bible you're reading, but Moses is innocent of most crimes being levied against him.

The real villain was Joshua, Moses' designated successor. Exodus is pretty tame, but the book of Joshua is just full of rape and genocide.
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Hey everyone, back off of Moses! I dunno what bible you're reading, but Moses is innocent of most crimes being levied against him.
A slaugher described were every person of the nation was slaughtered:

Numbers 21
32 And Moses sent to spy out Jaazer, and they took the villages thereof, and drove out the Amorites that were there.
33 And they turned and went up by the way of Bashan: and og the king of bashan went out against them, he, and all his people, to the battle at edrei.
34 And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land; and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon.
35 So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land.


Numbers 31
This picks up with a battle with the Midianites, in which all the males were slaughtered and they soldiers returned to the camp with the women and children. This made Moses angry:

14 But Moses was angry with the officers of the army, with the captains over thousands and captains over hundreds, who had come from the battle.
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. 1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people."


Later the plunder is described, including 32,000 virginal girls (saved for the soldiers) that were all that was left of the Midianite people:

32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.

Another slaughter described:

Deuteronomy 2
32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the LORD our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed [3] them-men, women and children. We left no survivors. 35

The chapter concludes with a description of all the gold plundered.


How was Moses innocent?


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The real villain was Joshua, Moses' designated successor. Exodus is pretty tame, but the book of Joshua is just full of rape and genocide.
Joshua was certainly another one. But he is not as revered as Moses.

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Old 08-29-07, 05:07 PM   #124
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Re: Yet another dispicable deed caused by Islam!

Isnt also funny that people rail against Mohammed as a 'child molester' etc, despite little reference to the times but mention little of the other religious groups that have long traditions of marrying their daughters off at puberty?
But just Islam gets the grief, isnt that funny?
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Re: Yet another dispicable deed caused by Islam!

Whoops, forgot about those ones, my mistake. I retract my earlier statement.
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Re: Yet another dispicable deed caused by Islam!

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Epidemic levels? The very use of the term proves your judgement to be wholly subjective and therefore useless to anyone else.
Yeah. I know it's subjective and thinking this way makes me very unfairly selective against ALL Muslims.

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y'all are confused. when there are approximately 1.6 billion muslims worldwide, and most of them are peaceful, the despicable deed isn't caused by Islam. Islam and Islamism are not one and the same.
In the 1.6 billion, you got all your terror groups, insurgent groups, RIOTING OVER CARTOONS ( I wonder how many of these non-terrorist peaceful Muslims in Europe decided to do this? ) and so called independence and liberation movements. They stir all kinds of **** with Countries.

Ever heard of the three choices while being under a Government of Islam?
1) Become Muslim
2) Subject yourself to a Dhimmi status where you do not have the same benefits or rights as muslims do and you pay more taxes, also, you need to acknowledge muslim supremacy. You may also not bear arms or give testimony in court cases involving Muslims. (Gee, I'd rather be a Muslim too. I guess this is how they get all their converts)
3) Die

Yes. Dhimmi status and Dhimmi ideology exists today and these Peaceful Muslims in Europe (when they aren't rioting over free speech and cartoons), Australia, United States, etc etc, although may not be blowing themselves up everyday or forming insurgencies, they're still trying to work the system in their favor by making separation, special accommodations and other things of Muslim interest that effect the day-to-day lives or business of others living in that Country. These Muslims are also part of the problem.

Muslims at large (at large) are doing NOTHING to stop any of this. They are only contributing.
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Do you find it really funny people defending a nation that committed genocide against the native indigenous population?
That never happened, the U.S. never engaged in a genocide against the indiginous people if we had there would be none of them left.
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That never happened, the U.S. never engaged in a genocide against the indiginous people if we had there would be none of them left.
Nor did Saddam kill all the Kurds. Therefore not a genocide?

Maybe we can compromise and say they were "democides."
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You did not respond to this post, but I will identify them.

George Washington owned a large number of slaves, forced people to work on his land without pay and without the ability to leave, and kept them in bondage and deprived them of even the most basic freedoms.

That is a horrible thing to do, isn't it?

Yet people support and admire GW.

Isn't that funny?
Slavery was bad, however, I would say that in this case the ends justified the means, what ends justified Mohammed being a pedophile?

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The second was referring to Americans, where the white men came in and over the course of a century systematically took the native peoples lands, wiping out entire peoples in what makes Hussein in Iraq look like a Saint.

What a horrible, terrible thing to do.

Yet people support and admire America.

Isn't that funny?
Thanks for your bit of revisionist history, but first of all "stole" would imply ownership, and the Native Americans had no concept of land ownership or the value of property which is why they sold Manhattan for some beads, caveat venditor, and second of all there was no genocide if there was there would be no native Americans left.

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Even though Moses, Washington and America did these horrible things, we still support them and admire them because 1) they did a lot of admirable things, and 2) the horrible things the did were not viewed in context of the the time as being as immoral as we view it today.
What admirable things did Mohammed do besides conquering, killing, converting, or subjugating as Dhimmi's any people that stood in the way of his totalitarian, theocratic, and repressive empire?
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Nor did Saddam kill all the Kurds. Therefore not a genocide?

Maybe we can compromise and say they were "democides."
That would imply that we intended to kill anyone, sorry but people dying from disease does not constitute as a dem/genocide unless we deliberately infected them which we did not, there was no systematic intentional mass murder of the indiginous peoples of America, atleast not by the U.S..
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