Three sisters stabbed to death in Gaza 'honor killing'

SgtRock · 07-24-07, 12:07 AM

Source; Jeruslam Post
July 22, 2007

Three sisters were found stabbed to death in the Gaza Strip on Sunday, raising suspicion they were killed by relatives because of suspected immoral behavior, a human rights organization said.

The three sisters, 16-year-old Nahed Hija and her sisters, 19-year-old Suha and 22-year-old Lina, were found dead from multiple stab wounds, buried in a shallow grave in the central Gaza Strip early Sunday morning, said Hamdi Shakkour of the Palestinian Center for Human Rights.

Another example of muslim cultural values. ~ Sgt Rock

Three sisters stabbed to death in Gaza 'honor killing' | Jerusalem Post

Roberto Duran · 07-24-07, 12:43 AM

Recently in Iraq a girl was stoned to death in an honor killing that made a lot of headlines. She wasn't Muslim, she was Yazidi, so this isn't exclusively a Muslim problem. The problem isn't so much Muslim values as what happens in societies where religious conservatives are so dominant that the more extreme members can carry out backwards medieval actions like this and the wider community tolerate it.

We can only be thankful that we live in the liberal west where so much progress has been made against religious backwardness and conservatism. If it hadn't, we'd still be burning witches.

chevydriver1123 · 07-24-07, 09:05 AM

Sick simply sick.

Kasmos · 07-24-07, 10:21 AM

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We can only be thankful that we live in the liberal west where so much progress has been made against religious backwardness and conservatism. If it hadn't, we'd still be burning witches.

That's the thing I find many people don't understand. We (as in America) have gotten over our past medieval problems (i.e. burning "witches", racist killings, etc), and over in the Middle East, they have not.

So the main question that needs to be considered is, Is it the "responsibility" of the United States to force them to enter "our" times of morals and values?

Personally, I think the answer is no. We should never get involved in the cultures of others, as that is a very dangerous step to be taking (as we can see with the amount of hatred that is growing towards us). Yes, they do honor killings in the Middle East for what parents consider "immoral" practices, but what gives us a right to say what is "wrong" and "right"?

GySgt · 07-24-07, 10:36 AM

Absolutely pathetic. 21st century.

VTA · 07-24-07, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasmos

That's the thing I find many people don't understand. We (as in America) have gotten over our past medieval problems (i.e. burning "witches", racist killings, etc), and over in the Middle East, they have not.

So the main question that needs to be considered is, Is it the "responsibility" of the United States to force them to enter "our" times of morals and values?

Personally, I think the answer is no. We should never get involved in the cultures of others, as that is a very dangerous step to be taking (as we can see with the amount of hatred that is growing towards us). Yes, they do honor killings in the Middle East for what parents consider "immoral" practices, but what gives us a right to say what is "wrong" and "right"?

Because it's not really a moral issue, it's an interest issue.
There are horrible things happening the world over and America is not involved. It's not a right to tell them right from wrong, it's protecting American interests, namely oil and our reliance on it.

Of course, it's dishonest of our politicians to play the moral card... and immoral in itself.

Binary_Digit · 07-24-07, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasmos

That's the thing I find many people don't understand. We (as in America) have gotten over our past medieval problems (i.e. burning "witches", racist killings, etc), and over in the Middle East, they have not.

So the main question that needs to be considered is, Is it the "responsibility" of the United States to force them to enter "our" times of morals and values?

Personally, I think the answer is no. We should never get involved in the cultures of others, as that is a very dangerous step to be taking (as we can see with the amount of hatred that is growing towards us). Yes, they do honor killings in the Middle East for what parents consider "immoral" practices, but what gives us a right to say what is "wrong" and "right"?

Cultural relativism be damned, if human beings are being harmed or killed as a result of cultural practices (besides criminal punishment) then it's wrong and we have every right to say it's wrong. That doesn't mean we're obligated or have a right to interject and stop it, but we sure as hell have the right and the moral standing to say it's wrong.

Roberto Duran · 07-24-07, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasmos

That's the thing I find many people don't understand. We (as in America) have gotten over our past medieval problems (i.e. burning "witches", racist killings, etc), and over in the Middle East, they have not.

So the main question that needs to be considered is, Is it the "responsibility" of the United States to force them to enter "our" times of morals and values?

Personally, I think the answer is no. We should never get involved in the cultures of others, as that is a very dangerous step to be taking (as we can see with the amount of hatred that is growing towards us). Yes, they do honor killings in the Middle East for what parents consider "immoral" practices, but what gives us a right to say what is "wrong" and "right"?

We should stop propping up the dictatorships and tyrannies that allow their religious establishments carte blanche to do this kind of thing, and stop imposing dictators on Muslim countries that try to secularise as that comes back to bite us too. What we really need to do is adopt a policy where we try to bring freedom and democracy to the Muslim world.

VTA · 07-24-07, 08:21 PM

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What we really need to do is adopt a policy where we try to bring freedom and democracy to the Muslim world.

I don't think they want that from us.
We should adopt a policy of making sure what makes our country run is not in the hands of other countries. I know alot of people gripe about the oil thing, and I'm the first to recognize its importance to every aspect of our life, but I think that what our country is forced to undertake, in this moment in history, to protect its interests should alert it to the dangers of relying on foreign sources to prop up our own health and strength.

Roberto Duran · 07-24-07, 08:43 PM

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I don't think they want that from us.
We should adopt a policy of making sure what makes our country run is not in the hands of other countries. I know alot of people gripe about the oil thing, and I'm the first to recognize its importance to every aspect of our life, but I think that what our country is forced to undertake, in this moment in history, to protect its interests should alert it to the dangers of relying on foreign sources to prop up our own health and strength.

We could spend the two trillion we spent on Iraq on developing alternative fuels, then we could forget about the region. If it didn't have oil we'd pay as much attention to it as sub-Saharan Africa. Because it has half the world's conventional oil reserves and because it's the world's biggest srategic prize as we don't have oil alternatives we're very involved there, which causes all the current problems with terrorism.