Democrats cut 'John Doe' provision

The silenced majority · 07-20-07, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by galenrox

And I completely agree with this sentiment, but you have to see the other side of it. We are better than our enemy for a number of reasons, but one of them is we're not a bunch of dickheads to blindly screw people over because they don't look or act how we arbitrarily want them to. Yeah, I don't worry about you and how you'd handle the ability to report suspicious activity, but I am certain that you and I both know the type of ignorant hicks who see a couple arabs speaking arabic while having a meal and will call the FBI, and the implication of such a law is that those people who end up getting consistently dicked around because of stupid mother****ers who don't understand that speaking arabic is not sufficient reason to suspect someone of being a terrorist.

I think I made it clear that I didn't think turning all Muslims in for being suspicious was a good idea.

I do know what you're talking about. I used to work at a pizza shop a few years back. One day this little old co-worker lady said to me remarking about another employee: "I don't trust him, he looks like one of those terrorists". The guy she was talking about was an Irish-Jew. She thought he looked like a terrorist because he had a black beard and mustache. This was 1994!!!

That's paranoia.

Arabic people who talk about our country, our president, our troops negatively in airport terminals so soon after 9/11 is going to alarm people. They also failed to obey common conduct while on the planes & did other bizarre things.. The Imams themselves should be well aware that people are going to turn them in and they themselves should try not to be so alarming.

It seems a lot like yelling fire in a crowded theater to me.

Hatuey · 07-20-07, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

You think that Citizens who report suspicious activity should have to fear lawsuits?

There is a difference between vigilant citizens and citizens who will use this on every possible occasion. Until we can figure out a way that this provision will not be abused by the likes of people who think that anything with a turban on it's head is a terrorist it should not be enacted.

The silenced majority · 07-20-07, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

There is a difference between vigilant citizens and citizens who will use this on every possible occasion. Until we can figure out a way that this provision will not be abused by the likes of people who think that anything with a turban on it's head is a terrorist it should not be enacted.

I can tell a great story about somebody getting their car torn apart by the DEA on the interstate, because of a unsubstantiated tip lodged after a petty argument.I'll post the story if someone wants to open a war on drugs thread.

I do understand where you're coming from; just throw the idiots in jail for filing false reports.

Hatuey · 07-20-07, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The silenced majority

I can tell a great story about somebody getting their car torn apart by the DEA on the interstate, because of a unsubstantiated tip lodged after a petty argument.I'll post the story if someone wants to open a war on drugs thread.

My point exatcly. Please post it.

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I do understand where you're coming from; just throw the idiots in jail for filing false reports.

That to me isn't enough. I have Muslim-American friends who have had their lives fvcked up because some idiot called them in and some law enforcement agency came in a turned their house upside down. 3 little kids in the house and 5 guys rush in with guns that will not be mistaken for toys. A few weeks later their garage door was spray painted. It read "Get out of America rag heads". They started getting calls in the middle of the night. My friend finally decided he'd had enough and moved a few counties over. Funniest thing is this guy was born in Brooklyn not even the Middle East. He was a convert and led a very liberal Muslim life by most standards(prayed, ate pork and drank moderately). His wife didn't even wear a hijab. The most he had that would make out to be a Muslim is the Muslim equivalent of the rosary(the Tasbeeh).

If anything like that happened to me, I'd sue the living **** out of whomever came after me.

The silenced majority · 07-20-07, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

My point exatcly. Please post it.

I will.

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That to me isn't enough. I have Muslim-American friends who have had their lives fvcked up because some idiot called them in and some law enforcement agency came in a turned their house upside down. 3 little kids in the house and 5 guys rush in with guns that will not be mistaken for toys. A few weeks later their garage door was spray painted. It read "Get out of America rag heads". They started getting calls in the middle of the night. My friend finally decided he'd had enough and moved a few counties over. Funniest thing is this guy was born in Brooklyn not even the Middle East. He was a convert and led a very liberal Muslim life by most standards(prayed, ate pork and drank moderately). His wife didn't even wear a hijab. The most he had that would make out to be a Muslim is the Muslim equivalent of the rosary(the Tasbeeh).

If anything like that happened to me, I'd sue the living **** out of whomever came after me.

I think your friend should be able to sue in that case; and he should have never needed to leave this country. That's embarrassing. Law enforcement must be very sure about what they're doing if they're about to encroach on somebody's civil liberties. Lawsuits are perfectly justified in cases like your friend's. He should sue.

People who tip police off to settle petty disputes should face serious charges; obviously so should anyone who uses outright racial intimidation against anybody.

1069 · 07-20-07, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatuey

People should be allowed to yell "terrorist" anytime they wish? At anyone? Even if their accusations have no merit? Without consequence?

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This is basically what this bill is trying to do.

Well, they can still yell it at poor people without much risk of consequence or repercussion.
Poor people can't afford to sue.
But yeah; this will prevent people from making false accusations of terrorism against the well-to-do.

Dr_Patrick · 07-20-07, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PrimBabUB

I haven't heard of much citizen reporting of terrorist activity since 9/11, have you?

That's because much of it most likely hasn't been publicized. However, when you create an environment of fear people tend to overreact over things.

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Could it be abused by people? Well, yes it could. Just like the freedoms we enjoyed before 9/11 that were abused by 19 people that took those freedoms and killed 3,000 people and ruined how many other peoples lives?

I'm sorry, but that's a pathetic excuse. I don't think 9/11 happened because of certain freedoms we enjoyed or took for granted. That is completely absurd. Are we just supposed to remain afraid because they got through once? Do you realize how many times terrorist-related attacks happen in other countries? I'd say we are pretty damn lucky. You are spewing more typical reactionist nonsense.

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If the "treason, traitor and terrorist" shoe fits, wear it, crap for brains.

I didn't realize your ego was that fragile that you had to resort to petty name calling whenever someone disagrees with you.

Dr_Patrick · 07-20-07, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nikitas3.com

The Flying Imams set up this whole thing intentionally (obviously), in order to bring it to this point, with the aid of the Democrat party, of course, those folks who do not believe there are even terrorists in the world. In fact what is happening is... racial profiling in reverse! Here is how it works: Grandma, in her wheelchair, is pulled out of airport line and strip-searched. This is to show that we are not "profiling" terrorists. But this act is the most balant form of racial profiling since 9/11. Liberals actually have devised a paranoid, paralell universe under which the least threatening among us (little old lady in a wheelchair) is profiled as the most, while the most threatening among us (Middle Eastern males in their 20s, imams muttering anti-American remarks) are given a wink and a nod and pro bono representation by anti-American trial lawyers. Now with the Flying Imam case possibly dragging suspicious passengers into court, these trial lawyers have found a new way to harass the good people of America by muzzling them (racially profiling them) while the Muttering Imams become the judges and prosecutors.
Please visit welcome to nikitas for more common sense.

Let's all shed a tear for those poor discriminated white old people who get pulled out of airport lines. Give me a break.

Dr_Patrick · 07-20-07, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PrimBabUB

Apparantly there is no appreciation from the leftist/commie/dims of this country that we are NOT rounding up every middle eastern looking person and putting them in a camp like we did during WWII. Where is the Kudos for America that we have progressed past that point of our history? We never get Kudos for amending our past, now do we? We never get a pat on the back while people of other countries that go backwards get all of the sympathy? Why is that?

So the government deserves a pat on the back for not making racist moronic mistakes like they did in the past?

chevydriver1123 · 07-20-07, 10:22 PM

You people do realize that this so-called tattle tale system can be abused to the highest extent right?

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