Islam Denounces Terrorism

danarhea · 07-17-07, 03:56 PM

I thought this link worth posting, as it separates terrorists from their religion, and shows that, no matter what religion one subscribes to, the taking of innocent lives is an abomination unto God.

If you realize that many of those killed on 911 were Jewish, Christian, and even Muslim believers, and then ask why any of this would be willed by God, you can only come to the conclusion that God had nothing to do with this atrocity, or any other atrocity throughout the ages. Terrorism, in all its forms, comes from man, who perverts Judaism, Christianity, and Islam for his own hatred. The Inquisition, the great Indian massacres, lynching of blacks who only wanted their right to vote, and 911, along with other so-called Islamic terror attacks come from only one source, and it is not religion, whether that religion is Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or any other. It comes only from man's hatred of his fellow man, and has nothing to do with what religion he claims to be. I would add that, maybe, religion does play a part in terrorism - That religion is a form of Satanism, because terrorism is itself a Satanic act, according to the Bible, the Torah, and the Quran.

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God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed.
(Qur'an, 16:90)

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God calls to the Abode of Peace and He guides whom He wills to a straight path.
(Qur'an, 10:25)

My suggestion would be, instead of branding Islam as a terrorist sect, realize that it, as any other religion, including the Christian religion, is hijacked by Satanic people from time to time.

Article is here. (Warning - this is a very long read, but well worth it.)

niftydrifty · 07-17-07, 04:07 PM

Islam denounces terrorism.com

Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks

How American Muslims Really Responded to September 11 (by Riad Z. Abdelkarim & Jason Erb) - Media Monitors Network

Statements Against Terror

Informed Comment

http://www.debatepolitics.com/524449-post3.html (True Debate #5 Sauwan vs niftydrifty)

bhkad · 07-17-07, 04:15 PM

There are millions who are now, as you say, 'hijacking' Islam and have revived the same movement that existed from the days of Mohhamad until the end of the Ottoman Empire to gain the leadership of mankind by any means necessary or convenient. Violent or non-violent.

If all Islamic violence suddenly stopped tomorrow and only non-violent means would be employed in the attempt to gain Islamic mastery of the world, would that non-violent attempt be acceptable?

No.

Would it be slightly less threatening?

Yes.

Now, let's return to the real world.

The goal of Islam IS world domination.

The 15 -20% who would use violence to achieve this goal ARE NUMERICALLY SUFFICIENTLY LARGE ENOUGH to do the job.

Those who are committed to the same goal of attaining the leadership of mankind for Allah but who would only use non-violent methods ARE SUFFICIENTLY CAPABLE of using stealth to help achieve their goal.

It's great whenever we see Muslims denounce violence but to get a better appreciation of what that means, think of the Islamic terrorists as the teeth of a lion and the rest of the ummah as the body of the lion. When the teeth are engaged in catching, killing and devouring the prey it would take a catastrophic physiological failure of the body's support system to stop the teeth from working. And in no case would the teeth stop biting immediately.

So, as I said, it's great if Islam denounces terrorism but I expect no immediate results, if any. But it is a welcomed gesture.

niftydrifty · 07-17-07, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

There are millions who are now 'hijacking' Islam and have revived the same movement to gain the leadership of mankind by any means necesary or convenient. Violent or non-violent.

source? you know it is millions, how?

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Originally Posted by bhkad

If all Islamic violence suddenly stopped tomorrow and only non-violent means would be employed in the attempt to gain Islamic mastery of the world, would that non-violent attempt be acceptable?

No.

most Muslims are in fact peaceful. show me how most of them aren't.

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Now, let's return to the real world.

you've not once entered it. I've never left it.

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Originally Posted by bhkad

The goal of Islam IS world domination.

most Muslims disagree with you.

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Originally Posted by bhkad

The 15 -20% who would use violence to achieve this goal ARE NUMERICALLY SUFFICIENTLY LARGE ENOUGH to do the job. Those who are committed to the same goal of attaining the leadership of mankind for Allah but who would only use non-violent methods ARE SUFFICIENTLY CAPABLE of using stealth to help achieve their goal.

really? how? where do you get that number? upon what evidence do you base your conclusions?

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Originally Posted by bhkad

It's great whenever we see Muslims denounce violence but to get a better appreciation of what that means, think of the Islamic terrorists as the teeth of a lion and the rest of the ummah as the body of the lion. When the teeth are engaged in catching, killing and devouring the prey it would take a catastrophic physiological failure of the body's support system to stop the teeth from working. And in no case would the teeth stop biting immediately.

what you fail to comprehend is that the body wants nothing to do with the teeth. hence, "denounce." get it? my guess is you won't.

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Originally Posted by bhkad

So, as I said, it's great if Islam denounces terrorism but I expect no immediate results, if any. But it is a welcomed gesture.

I expect no immediate results, either. even when Islam denounces terrorism, you continue to believe what you will about Islam.

bhkad's opinion of Islam is the same as the jihadist's.

Voidwar · 07-17-07, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by niftydrifty

most Muslims disagree with you.

Lemme quote some of your own stuff back atcha. . .

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really? how? where do you get that number? upon what evidence do you base your conclusions?

Did you interview "most muslims" ? ? ?

Or is your assertion completely unsubstantiated ?

danarhea · 07-17-07, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

There are millions who are now, as you say, 'hijacking' Christianity and have revived the same movement that existed from the days of Torqumada until the end of the American Civil War to gain the leadership of mankind by any means necessary or convenient. Violent or non-violent.

If all Christianic violence suddenly stopped tomorrow and only non-violent means would be employed in the attempt to gain Christian mastery of the world, would that non-violent attempt be acceptable?

No.

Would it be slightly less threatening?

Yes.

Now, let's return to the real world.

The goal of Christianity IS world domination.

The 15 -20% who would use violence to achieve this goal ARE NUMERICALLY SUFFICIENTLY LARGE ENOUGH to do the job.

Those who are committed to the same goal of attaining the leadership of mankind for God but who would only use non-violent methods ARE SUFFICIENTLY CAPABLE of using stealth to help achieve their goal.

It's great whenever we see Christians denounce violence but to get a better appreciation of what that means, think of the Christian terrorists as the teeth of a lion and the rest of the ummah as the body of the lion. When the teeth are engaged in catching, killing and devouring the prey it would take a catastrophic physiological failure of the body's support system to stop the teeth from working. And in no case would the teeth stop biting immediately.

So, as I said, it's great if Christianity denounces terrorism but I expect no immediate results, if any. But it is a welcomed gesture.

Words in your post changed to reflect Christian reality...

Acts committed by Christians, in the name of Christianity........

The Spanish Inquisition.
The 100 Years War.
The slave trade, which killed millions.
The extermination of the Arawak indians.
Manifest destiny and the extermination of the American indian culture.
The formation of the Ku Klux Klan.
Jim Crow.
Lynching of blacks.
Gay bashing.

Damn, from what I see here, these guys are pretty nasty terrorists. tell ya' what. Lets condemn all of Christianity for what they did and are doing.

Voidwar · 07-17-07, 04:47 PM

When confronted about your own wrongdoing, pointing out the transgressions of others is no defense.

Look, Billy, we are not presently concerned about what Timmy did, we are confronting Billy, about what Billy did.

A child attempts to avoid deserved blame in this manner, and the child fails also.

bhkad · 07-17-07, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by danarhea

Words in your post changed to reflect Christian reality...

Acts committed by Christians, in the name of Christianity........

The Spanish Inquisition.
The 100 Years War.
The slave trade, which killed millions.
The extermination of the Arawak indians.
Manifest destiny and the extermination of the American indian culture.
The formation of the Ku Klux Klan.
Jim Crow.
Lynching of blacks.
Gay bashing.

Damn, from what I see here, these guys are pretty nasty terrorists. tell ya' what. Lets condemn all of Christianity for what they did and are doing.

Let's see how well you are at following our examples of ridding ourselves of such terrorism. Examine every instance you listed and figure out who, how, and why it was stopped. Then apply that to the efforts to stop Islamic expansion.

So far Islam is kinda slow on doing that. But that hegemony WAS stopped in the 1920's with some help from the non-Muslim world and the dedicated efforts of some Islamic modernists. And things were more or less tranquil until the 1970's.

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Lets condemn all of Christianity for what they did and are doing.

Most everyone in the world, Christian and non-Christians has long ago condemned the violence done in the name of Christianity.

But you Muslim thinks seem to see the world as Christian vs Muslim and that's just not the way it is.

Christians are not at war with Muslims. Non-Christians are not at war with Muslims.

THE FREE WORLD IS TRYING TO DEFEND ITSELF FROM ISLAMIC AGGRESSION AND CONQUEST.

Muslims tend to see any efforts by the West to do ANYTHING as an affront to Allah. And they are taught that it is a conspiracy of CHRISTIANITY to harm Muslims.

Answer me this. How can you recognize the separation of church and state in American society and politics and still think it's the Christian military that is fighting Muslim terrorists?

Or try this on for size. If the USA was at war with Muslims how come we were so surprised and confused by the 9/11 attacks?

bhkad · 07-17-07, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by niftydrifty

source? you know it is millions, how?

most Muslims are in fact peaceful. show me how most of them aren't.

you've not once entered it. I've never left it.

most Muslims disagree with you.

really? how? where do you get that number? upon what evidence do you base your conclusions?

what you fail to comprehend is that the body wants nothing to do with the teeth. hence, "denounce." get it? my guess is you won't.

I expect no immediate results, either. even when Islam denounces terrorism, you continue to believe what you will about Islam.

bhkad's opinion of Islam is the same as the jihadist's.

There are multiple surveys that show that between 10 - 25% of the Muslim populations of Indonesia, the UK and the USA support terrorism. Do the math. I'm happy that all the Muslims in the world aren't involved in terrorism. I'm happy that many of those who believe in the goal of gaining mastery of mankind are willing to use only non-violent means and methods. But as for the goal of Islam, that is a matter of personal interpretation. And just as there are many Americans who haven't a clear understanding of why we are in Iraq and why it was necessary for us to invade so are there Muslims who may not understand or may disagree with the notion that the goal of Islam is to make the entire world bow to Allah.

Fortunately you don't see things as I do. I am clearly concerned about the threat that is posed by the Jihadists and as such it makes me feel good that you would say I think like them.

And in the end, the deciding factor of which interpretation of Islam is correct WILL be decided not by you, a peaceful moderate, but by the Jihadists and those who would stop Jihadist aggression.

danarhea · 07-17-07, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

Let's see how well you are at following our examples of ridding ourselves of such terrorism. Examine every instance you listed and figure out who, how, and why it was stopped. Then apply that to the efforts to stop Islamic expansion.

So far Islam is kinda slow on doing that. But that hegemony WAS stopped in the 1920's with some help from the non-Muslim world and the dedicated efforts of some Islamic modernists. And things were more or less tranquil until the 1970's.

Most everyone in the world, Christian and non-Christians has long ago condemned the violence done in the name of Christianity.

But you Muslim thinks seem to see the world as Christian vs Muslim and that's just not the way it is.

Christians are not at war with Muslims. Non-Christians are not at war with Muslims.

THE FREE WORLD IS TRYING TO DEFEND ITSELF FROM ISLAMIC AGGRESSION AND CONQUEST.

Muslims tend to see any efforts by the West to do ANYTHING as an affront to Allah. And they are taught that it is a conspiracy of CHRISTIANITY to harm Muslims.

Answer me this. How can you recognize the separation of church and state in American society and politics and still think it's the Christian military that is fighting Muslim terrorists?

Or try this on for size. If the USA was at war with Muslims how come we were so surprised and confused by the 9/11 attacks?

Free men and women today are still trying to defend themselves from Christian extremists. If you doubt that, then just take a look at Oklahoma City. Or you can come to Texas, where KKK members (who also call themselves Christians) got caught with a weapon of mass destruction a few years ago - A cyanide bomb, capable of killing thousands, and who have been known to drag black men to their deaths behind pickup trucks. They have a goal too, a Christian goal. Do we condemn Christianity for it? Or we can ask good ol' Pat Robertson what he thinks - You know, the guy who partnered with Charles Taylor (another Christian known as the butcher of Liberia) to mine gold, and who was also a business partner of mass murderer Mugabe in his diamond mining operation.

Hint: Not everyone who calls himself a Muslim is a Muslim either.